Eton College Middlesbrough

Neo liberalism started in the UK when home ownership became the norm. Prior to that there was not the will to put in Double Glazing and better carpets. Then Foreign holidays over Butlins and Scarborough, cars became affordable.
Phones were a dream and when you did get one 1973 for us it was a party line.
Jobs moved from being filthy in North Ormesby to Health and Safety aware at Sabic, our children went to uni.

We queued in Doctors and Dentists that became unacceptable, people simply moved on

Prior 1970s my family had mother, never poor, but nothing. Today is different. I prefer today.
 
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genuine question whats the point of school academies do they teach children with different methods, they all have to do the same curriculum and GCSEs. Have they been a success since there inception. Is it just schools with a different management and governance structure
 
Same_as_before said:
Neo liberalism started in the UK when home ownership became the norm. Prior to that there was not the will to put in Double Glazing and better carpets. Then Foreign holidays over Butlins and Scarborough, cars became affordable.
Phones were a dream and when you did get one 1973 for us it was a party line.
Jobs moved from being filthy in North Ormesby to Health and Safety aware at Sabic, our children went to uni.

We queued in Doctors and Dentists that became unacceptable, people simply moved on

Prior 1970s my family had mother, never poor, but nothing. Today is different. I prefer today.
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Neoliberalism was the tool of Pinochet, Thatcher and Reagan. It was used to return Chili to its role as a money making machine for the US.
It was used to justify the decimation of the UK manufacturing industries and to crush the miners. It is an invidious political movement that has increased wealth inequality.
 
Scargill crushed the miners with the most inept strike organisation of all time. He just gave Thatcher a lot of help. Joe Gormley before him won many many benefits for the miners Scargill lost the lot, even managing to split them in half.

We had a telephone in 1973, my brother a car about the same, in fact he bought his house then I think it was £2000. You are not very good at history. Keep up the good work supporting Putin though.

The problem you have is that you keep making statements that when fact checked are proven to be as truthful as Boris.

Incidentally I voted Labour for the first time in 1976. Voted the same ever since through to your Semi God

I am trying to work out if Pinnocet is to the left or right of you.
 
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Eton's Headmaster has just been on the news calling Middlesbrough a city. Either he knows something we don't or he's a terrible advertisement for an Eton education.
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He really didn't do his homework. Seems like a common trait for Eton idiots.

Wonder where the teachers will come from. Probably just poach the best from local colleges which will hardly be a help for the majority of local youngsters.
 
Following on from my argument with Rob about far left and right and your depth of knowledge of history.

It is estimated 80,000 died under Pinnocet.

It is estimated that over 80,000,000 died in the Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution.

In your valued opinion which is the left and which is the right?
 
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Scargill crushed the miners with the most inept strike organisation of all time. He just gave Thatcher a lot of help. Joe Gormley before him won many many benefits for the miners Scargill lost the lot, even managing to split them in half.

We had a telephone in 1973, my brother a car about the same, in fact he bought his house then I think it was £2000. You are not very good at history. Keep up the good work supporting Putin though.

The problem you have is that you keep making statements that when fact checked are proven to be as truthful as Boris.

Incidentally I voted Labour for the first time in 1976. Voted the same ever since through to your Semi God

I am trying to work out if Pinnocet is to the left or right of you.
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So you had a telephone in 1973 and your brother bought a car at the same time. Well Thatchers Laissez-faire capitalism didn't arrive until 1979 and your little examples don't represent neoliberalism in any way which suggests you have no idea what it is. And you say I'm bad at history.
You seem to be obsessed about how left people are and have used it as some kind of childish weapon quite a few times over the last few days. whilst at the same time aligning yourself with Farrage (brexit and fracking) and Thatcher, Reagan and Pinochet (economic policy)

If you really wish to talk about history, economics and politics we can have a chat about The Chilean copper industry, Salvadore Allende, Augusto Pinochet, the Chicago Boys, Milton Friedman, and your friends Thatcher and Reagan sometime. And before you ask, yes, they are all linked.
 
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Following on from my argument with Rob about far left and right and your depth of knowledge of history.

It is estimated 80,000 died under Pinnocet.

It is estimated that over 80,000,000 died in the Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution.

In your valued opinion which is the left and which is the right?
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I'm sorry, I don't understand the point of this question. What has your argument with Rob got to do with me?
 
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So you had a telephone in 1973 and your brother bought a car at the same time. Well Thatchers Laissez-faire capitalism didn't arrive until 1979 and your little examples don't represent neoliberalism in any way which suggests you have no idea what it is. And you say I'm bad at history.
You seem to be obsessed about how left people are and have used it as some kind of childish weapon quite a few times over the last few days. whilst at the same time aligning yourself with Farrage (brexit and fracking) and Thatcher, Reagan and Pinochet (economic policy)

If you really wish to talk about history, economics and politics we can have a chat about The Chilean copper industry, Salvadore Allende, Augusto Pinochet, the Chicago Boys, Milton Friedman, and your friends Thatcher and Reagan sometime. And before you ask, yes, they are all linked.
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You have taught me something already, I though neo liberalism was about the ability to buy goods at an agreed rate. The manufacture of those goods, the transportation and then selling. It goes to show.

You never answered the question about the right and left in relation to number if deaths, no doubt you missed it.

I was never an expert on moneterism it was not my thing, always preferered Keynesian principles.

Ah my friends Thatcher and Reagan, I think you are far closer than me. I voted Labour you don't. I never had chance to vote in the US.

For your Salvadore Allende, Augusto Pinochet, a disgusting pair I agree I raise you North Korea mines and agriculture and Mao, even a bit of Stalin.
 
To make it easy for you, it's getting late. You brought up Pinochet, I explained he is responsible for circa 80,000 deaths and Mao who was responsible for circa 80,000,000 I asked you who in your opinion was on the Left. Sorry if I made it difficult.

I am still not sure if you are to the right or left of Pinochet.

I have just remembered I once went on an anti Pinochet march at Marble Arch. I might still have the badge, but maybe I through it away in my Boro programme cull.

See, that's the mistake teenagers like you make you think us very old blokes were always very old.
 
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Same_as_before said:
Neo liberalism started in the UK when home ownership became the norm. Prior to that there was not the will to put in Double Glazing and better carpets. Then Foreign holidays over Butlins and Scarborough, cars became affordable.
Phones were a dream and when you did get one 1973 for us it was a party line.
Jobs moved from being filthy in North Ormesby to Health and Safety aware at Sabic, our children went to uni.

We queued in Doctors and Dentists that became unacceptable, people simply moved on

Prior 1970s my family had mother, never poor, but nothing. Today is different. I prefer today.
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Neoliberalism didn’t give people all those things you mention……debt did!
 
I wouldn’t get too excited because it seems the main thing Eton churns out is more Tory MP’s. So for those of you thinking it will turn out the next Steve Jobs and Teesside become another Silicon Valley you might be in for a long wait!
 
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Neoliberalism didn’t give people all those things you mention……debt did!
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Baum's ticket for one and the Pru for another. Then we moved onto Access cards, personal loans, free overdrafts and then the brilliant idea of having one big loan to pay them off over 10 years.

And it is getting worse with on line gambling, we can hide behind a screen
 
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For your Salvadore Allende, Augusto Pinochet, a disgusting pair I agree
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Throughout most of the 20th century, many Central and South American countries existed mainly to enrich the USA. Huge swathes of industry and natural resources were controlled by US companies; the workers were kept in poverty and the profits flew north. The dominant industry of Chile was the mining and production of copper and it was run by two US companies . In 1970 Chile elected Salvadore Allende, the first socialist to be democratically elected in South America. He began restructuring the Chilean economy, introducing education for all, free milk for children and something which was revolutionary at the time, and regarded as a precursor of social media, a knob in every home linked to a government office, so that the population could relate how satisfied they were on a daily basis with the government's performance. What he also did was nationalise the copper industry to provide a better standard of living to his people by keeping the profits inside the country. Chilean profit for Chilean people.

The US didn't like this obviously and in 1973 the CIA organised and funded a violent military coup in the country. Allende died in the coup and it is unsure whether he was killed or committed suicide. He was replaced by Pinochet's military dictatorship which was responsible for the deaths of over 3,000 of his own people, the incarceration of tens of thousand more and the torture of up to 40,000. There were book burnings in the streets just like 40 years before in nazi Germany, and writers and poets who were deemed to be subversive went into hiding.

Pinochet brought in the Chicago Boys (a group of latin American kids who studied economics under Milton Friedman - the man largely credited with the invention of neoliberalism, where everything is subservient to the market) to realign the Chilean economy and redirect the profits to America. Reagan and Thatcher were the biggest fans of this system and introduced it into the US and UK, two countries which now have some of the largest imbalances between rich and poor in the developed world. Thatcher later protected Pinochet, refusing to extradite him to face trial for his atrocities. He was too old and frail she said.

I've no idea why you are labeling Allende disgusting.
 
My cut and paste skills. I agree with most if not all of it, but it's not fact it's an opinion.

Pinochet was no good and evil, as was Mao and Stalin X 1000.

My argument still is there is not a fag paper between the far left and right. You brought up moneterism but refuse to vote against it because your demi God was found out.

Someone on here put up a scheme looking like the atlas of the world with left ideals on the left, right on the right, I think it would be more accurate as a full round globe so far right and left cross. They both believe in murdering the masses.

Like I said teenagers like you think old blokes have always been old.

I vote Labour , you don't in the end it's that simple.
 
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My cut and paste skills. I agree with most if not all of it, but it's not fact it's an opinion.

Pinochet was no good and evil, as was Mao and Stalin X 1000.

My argument still is there is not a fag paper between the far left and right. You brought up moneterism but refuse to vote against it because your demi God was found out.

Someone on here put up a scheme looking like the atlas of the world with left ideals on the left, right on the right, I think it would be more accurate as a full round globe so far right and left cross. They both believe in murdering the masses.

Like I said teenagers like you think old blokes have always been old.

I vote Labour , you don't in the end it's that simple.
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When did Allende advocate murdering the masses?
 
Same_as_before said:
Neo liberalism started in the UK when home ownership became the norm. Prior to that there was not the will to put in Double Glazing and better carpets. Then Foreign holidays over Butlins and Scarborough, cars became affordable.
Phones were a dream and when you did get one 1973 for us it was a party line.
Jobs moved from being filthy in North Ormesby to Health and Safety aware at Sabic, our children went to uni.

We queued in Doctors and Dentists that became unacceptable, people simply moved on

Prior 1970s my family had mother, never poor, but nothing. Today is different. I prefer today.
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Countries that haven't embraced neo liberalism are streets ahead of us in all of the modernisations that you talked about. It's just progress.

Look at the changes between the 1930s and 1970s in this country, it didn't need right wing political philosophy
 
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