EU making a pigs breakfast of vaccination programme

zorro_mfc said:
The precedent was set when Germany ( plus a few others) broke ranks to vaccinate their citizens first even though they had all agreed to wait. This started the mistrust.

the reason it’s so important is that Germany the the de facto leading nation of the EU so to see them break ranks was really significant.

it was at best a PR stunt and at worst a sign of their arrogance to their fellow nations that did decide to wait.
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Or a sign that even as a member of the EU, Germany still has sovereignty?
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Without wishing to get drawn into one of your sprawling round-the-houses pointless arguments, I should add that as somebody who is very pro-EU and firmly in the remain camp, I have no prejudices against the EU.

You know, you are able to be disappointed with the EU with regards to their apparent lack of urgency in even looking at approving the AstraZeneca vaccine in this global emergency, where every day counts, without it meaning you hate the EU or are an advocate for Brexit.

Likewise, I can give credit to the government when they appear to do something well ( which is incredibly rare at the moment) such as procurement and securing early supply of vaccines, without it meaning I’m a Tory voter.....

I don’t give government credit for the rollout itself - that praise is reserved for the NHS.
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Still waiting for even the slightest shred of evidence this isn't about safety and efficacy.

I know we live in a Trumpington post truth world but I imagine most on here can see through the fact that when you are pressed for evidence, just repeating your conspiracy theory isn't representative of actual empirical evidence
 
FatCat said:
EU throwing their toys out the pram now

news.sky.com

UK access to Pfizer jab threatened as EU imposes new controls on COVID vaccine exports

The move is the latest in a row between the bloc and the pharmaceutical companies over supply delays.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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Another way of considering this is that the EU paid AstraZeneca 2.7 billion Euros specifically so they could ramp up their production capacity in advance of the agreed start of deliveries. In addition the EU has requested that AstraZeneca releases data showing exactly how many doses have been produced so far and exactly where they have been delivered to.
 
What would stop Pfizer simply moving production of their vaccine out of the EU if the EU insist on putting in place measures to control exports?
 
MFP said:
What would stop Pfizer simply moving production of their vaccine out of the EU if the EU insist on putting in place measures to control exports
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It's not actually a Pfizer created product. BioNTech, a German company, created and patented the mRNA technology. They simply utilise Pfizer's production and distribution network in exchange for a cut of the profit.
 
MFP said:
What would stop Pfizer simply moving production of their vaccine out of the EU if the EU insist on putting in place measures to control exports?
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Tech transfer of the manufacturing equioemnt. Process validation on the new site. Approval to manufacture at said site. Quite a few hoops but I presume they have a few biotech manufacturing sites which they might be able to gear up quicker. Then of course they have to workout the supply chain and logictistics of changing site (both in increasing raw materials supply and distributing finished product) and where they can export to. Also they will probably have to go on a recruitment drive in said market to get more operators to ramp up production. Plus I assume they already have supply agreements in place which will have to be altered if they start producing elsewhere.

In short, quite a bit.
 
MFP said:
What would stop Pfizer simply moving production of their vaccine out of the EU if the EU insist on putting in place measures to control exports?
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Oh FFS - are you for real - you obviously don't know the first thing about pharmaceutical manufacturing

.... and why shouldn't the EU put measures in place - it's their member countries who developed, tested, and registered it
 
Malaguena said:
Oh FFS - are you for real - you obviously don't know the first thing about pharmaceutical manufacturing

.... and why shouldn't the EU put measures in place - it's their member countries who developed, tested, and registered it
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You're right, I don't, which is why the question was asked. So I don't really understand your irate response.

Furthermore, it appears this vaccine is also manufactured in the US too. So seeing as you're the expert here, what are the possibilities of any nation hindered by the EU's supposed intentions acquiring the vaccine from Pfizer's US manufacturing base instead?
 
MFP said:
You're right, I don't, which is why the question was asked. So I don't really understand your irate response.

Furthermore, it appears this vaccine is also manufactured in the US too. So seeing as you're the expert here, what are the possibilities of any nation hindered by the EU's supposed intentions acquiring the vaccine from Pfizer's US manufacturing base instead?
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It would depend on whether the vaccine manufactured in the US is licenced in, say, the UK. Plus there is the logistics of getting it here. Whether the US will allow allow supply. I assume the US will be as protective of it's member states as the EU and will be controlling the distribution of the vaccine the same. It really is incredibly complicated to change where you get a drug supplied from. If the EU start protecting it's own states then that's just something we'll have to live with. Another brexit benefit. Nothing we can do now we are out.
 
SmallTown said:
It would depend on whether the vaccine manufactured in the US is licenced in, say, the UK. Plus there is the logistics of getting it here. Whether the US will allow allow supply. I assume the US will be as protective of it's member states as the EU and will be controlling the distribution of the vaccine the same. It really is incredibly complicated to change where you get a drug supplied from. If the EU start protecting it's own states then that's just something we'll have to live with. Another brexit benefit. Nothing we can do now we are out.
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What chance the rest of the 5 billion getting their two doses with the 'civilised' western democracies resorting to dog eat dog so quickly.
 
SmallTown said:
It would depend on whether the vaccine manufactured in the US is licenced in, say, the UK. Plus there is the logistics of getting it here. Whether the US will allow allow supply. I assume the US will be as protective of it's member states as the EU and will be controlling the distribution of the vaccine the same. It really is incredibly complicated to change where you get a drug supplied from. If the EU start protecting it's own states then that's just something we'll have to live with. Another brexit benefit. Nothing we can do now we are out.
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What reasons would there be for the same vaccine manufactured in US to not be licensed for use in the UK? Different components?
 
MFP said:
What reasons would there be for the same vaccine manufactured in US to not be licensed for use in the UK? Different components?
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Potentially a different process to manufacture. Not likely but possible and I assume the MHRA will have checked the process at the EU site. Like many things its not as simple as manufacturing somewhere else and supplying from there. As also stated the US are likely to protect supply to its member states even more so then the EU. If the UK has an agreement to get supply from Belgium I can't see the US being too happy in being asked for some of their supply.

Once again, if the states that manufacture the drugs want to supply their own people first then we are going to have to put up with it. We wanted to be separate from the EU and this is one of the many consequences.
 
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