Everton - 12 point deduction?

Zoophonic said:
You actually forgot a team you mention further down your post. West Ham.
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There is only a West Ham United, there isn’t also a West Ham Town or a West Ham Rovers. So they are commonly known simply as “West Ham”.

There are reasons why Manchester United are widely known as “United” (and same for Man City) as “City” that are beyond them just being the (probably) most famous club in England, although that won’t harm the cause I’m sure.
 
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jonny_greenings_sock said:
Yeah, and that’s why punishment needs to happen immediately. Skews the competitive balance of the sport.

If the investigations into City eventually get them and they get stripped of 10 years of trophies, that changes nothing for the fans - they’ve still got the memories of winning leagues and European cups galore, and they won them on the pitch, even if it was unfair. What about Liverpool & Arsenal fans, will they be having open top bus tours for retrospective titles with an asterix attached like everyone who rode the Tour de France during Lance Armstrong’s era?

If club’s accounts and funding sources are too opaque for regulators to understand, then it’s on the regulators fix that. Again shouldn’t be rocket science. But there’s obviously no will to do it.

It is all quite similar to the tax system - I actually don’t blame or hate multinationals for trying to reduce their tax bill as much as possible, I’d do the same in their shoes. Morally I think they everyone should pay fair tax, and it’s 100% on the people who write the tax laws if the laws can be circumvented. I retain all my anger for them.
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Fully agree.
 
atypical_boro said:
We were a founding member. The founding fathers were Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton.

Funnily enough, 5 of the only 6 teams to have never dropped out of it.
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Since this thread has been taken over by pedantry in a number of ways, I am going to add another one by pointing out that we aren’t strictly a founding member either, although we participated in the inaugural season so maybe you could call us an inaugural member.

The founding members were the clubs that signed the founder members agreement in 1991 and resigned from the football league en masse in February 1992. They were the then first division clubs, and we were in the second division at the time. By this admittedly picky definition, three of the founding members didn’t play in the inaugural season, being relegated back into the league they had just resigned from before it started. One of those three, Notts County, never has, and another, Luton Town didn’t make a first appearance until this August.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Since this thread has been taken over by pedantry in a number of ways, I am going to add another one by pointing out that we aren’t strictly a founding member either, although we participated in the inaugural season so maybe you could call us an inaugural member.

The founding members were the clubs that signed the founder members agreement in 1991 and resigned from the football league en masse in February 1992. They were the then first division clubs, and we were in the second division at the time. By this admittedly picky definition, three of the founding members didn’t play in the inaugural season, being relegated back into the league they had just resigned from before it started. One of those three, Notts County, never has, and another, Luton Town didn’t make a first appearance until this August.
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Fair doos.
 
Everton are awful, have been for years. Somehow surviving season after season.
They offer nothing fresh to the premier league, i’d love to see them finally relegated. They are a club who could really self destruct like Leeds.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
I don’t understand (well, I do understand) why it isn’t a simple technical punishment like La Liga with their salary rules - if you’re one Euro over, even if you’re Barcelona, instant transfer ban / points deduction and you can’t register new players until you fix it. Appeal it afterwards. Otherwise it’s not a rule, it’s a suggestion.
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There has never been a points deduction for overspending* in the history of La Liga.

The only ever deductions were 3 points taken off Malaga in 1979/80 for failing to fulfill a fixture and 1 point off Racing Santander for fielding an ineligible player in 2003/04.

Barcelona haven't even been hit with a proper ban, they sign players every season, even whilst struggling to register them.
They've had enormous losses for years.

I don't think La Liga is a model to emulate when it comes to dealing with these sort of issues, they love ensuring teams get special treatment.

*Elche were relegated in 2015 for unpaid taxes to the government, but that's a different situation.
Everton would automatically be punished if they went in to administration.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Only if they are going to be relegated and crash and burn.

I don't want them coming down and doing a Leicester and taking up one of the auto spots.

They have been stinking out the prem for ages now though like.
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You would think that they should have to start the championship with a significant points deduction too, unless they sell the handful of decent playing assets to bring those losses back under control.
 
I can see them getting a 12 point deduction if they get 14 points clear of the relegation zone later this season. They are well capable of doing that given how bad the bottom 4 are.
 
BoroMart said:
You would think that they should have to start the championship with a significant points deduction too, unless they sell the handful of decent playing assets to bring those losses back under control.
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I would also like to see the two leagues' FFP linked to stop Championship clubs from gambling to reach the PL knowing they can't be touched by the Championship. If they are deemed to have broken the rules, then punishment should follow them up the division.
 
Maybe the dislike comes from the mega replays in the 80s. I was working with an Evertonian and he didn't give us one scrap of praise, even though we were a league below them ands give them some really tough games.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
It's a fine choice of words, the word victim hasn't been retired simply because of Hillsborough. It is possible to be the victim of a tragedy and subsequent miscarriage of justice (which you undoubtably were) AND to play the victim at every decision that doesn't go your way.
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In that case EVERY team plays the victim. EVERY team disputes decisions that don’t go their way. Including teams who frivolously appeal the length of a player’s ban for slapping Javier Mascherano. 😉
 
Zoophonic said:
I can see them getting a 12 point deduction if they get 14 points clear of the relegation zone later this season. They are well capable of doing that given how bad the bottom 4 are.
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I think you are prob right.
if it was Burnley, Luton, Bournemouth etc - they’d have had the points deducted by now.
 
Transitarmy said:
Maybe the dislike comes from the mega replays in the 80s. I was working with an Evertonian and he didn't give us one scrap of praise, even though we were a league below them ands give them some really tough games.
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If I remember rightly, I read on here that your fans were attacked by Everton fans using Stanley knives in the ‘80s.
 
king_hellfire said:
In that case EVERY team plays the victim. EVERY team disputes decisions that don’t go their way. Including teams who frivolously appeal the length of a player’s ban for slapping Javier Mascherano. 😉
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Interestingly I was watching this last night. Cloughie was adamant it was Liverpool fans' fault even a long time after the event. I guess you probably knew this. Silly old sod.

 
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