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[JustTheGent]

Perhaps a bit harsh, but he inherited arguably the greatest player in history and two of the best players in the world at Barca. He then went to Bayern Munich (who always win) and then has been given any player he wants at Man City.

Seriously hope City and Chelsea get relegated due to rule breaking. Obviously that won't happen. But buying titles on that scale isn't proper football.

 

[atypical_boro]

He has proven that he is one of the best managers of all time, no question, but that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy seeing them mess up. I’d love to see them punished, but more than that, I’d just love to see a proper title race with 4 or 5 teams in the mix right through until May.

 

[Loop]

This topic has been done to death on here before. If you don't rate Pep I'd choose another sport.

 

[Paulroddam7]

If it was that easy then they’d just let you or I do the job.

 

[red_harrington]

I'd still like him to take up a job with a lower league side and see how he does with them. To succeed with the likes of Halifax or whatever, rise them through the leagues with no money, now to me that would be the true measure of greatness.

 

[atypical_boro]

I'd still like him to take up a job with a lower league side and see how he does with them. To succeed with the likes of Halifax or whatever, rise them through the leagues with no money, now to me that would be the true measure of greatness.

It would, but it’s never gonna happen. After City he’ll have a crack at international management, and probably do pretty well.

Cloughie did abysmally at Brighton, but no one really talks about it as a blemish on his record.

 

[B_G]

Its a totally different type of management. There's managers who are great at the top level who would struggle to manage in the lower tiers and there are definitely good managers further down in the pyramid who wouldn't be able to manage at the top level.

The man management, board management and media handling become just as important as the the football side as you get to that very top level.

 

[KDG]

Pep is a great manager.

I always felt this season would be a tough one for City after winning the treble and the elusive Champions League. Its not uncommon for teams to have a bit of dip after such a high.

Watching them a few times this season its just feels like they are not killing games off like we are so used to. They are doing enough but getting caught out.

De Bruyne is a big miss - whilst they have looked okay for the most part you cant replace that class, however, the bigger loss is Rodri.

Thing is, they are the still the team that come Feb/march can go and win 10 games in a row.

Hopefully it will stay as it is, its very exciting at the top.

 

[The Card Cheat]

Perhaps a bit harsh, but he inherited arguably the greatest player in history and two of the best players in the world at Barca. He then went to Bayern Munich (who always win) and then has been given any player he wants at Man City.

Seriously hope City and Chelsea get relegated due to rule breaking. Obviously that won't happen. But buying titles on that scale isn't proper football.

City have spent considerably less than Chelsea and Manchester United in the time Pep has been in charge. Which doesn't really fit with the argument that he's only successful because he's had more money to spend than anyone else.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

Perhaps a bit harsh, but he inherited arguably the greatest player in history and two of the best players in the world at Barca. He then went to Bayern Munich (who always win) and then has been given any player he wants at Man City.

Seriously hope City and Chelsea get relegated due to rule breaking. Obviously that won't happen. But buying titles on that scale isn't proper football.

It was proper football when Man Utd and Liverpool were doing it?

 

[atypical_boro]

City have spent considerably less than Chelsea and Manchester United in the time Pep has been in charge. Which doesn't really fit with the argument that he's only successful because he's had more money to spend than anyone else.

Is that net spend?

I imagine wage and transfer outlays combined have been at least as high as anybody else, if not higher.

But I do accept the point. In truth I wanted him to fail, as I want City to fail, and he hasn’t. But I would still like to see them fall away in to mid-table, get a points deduction and eventually end up back in League 1.

Oh and if they do get found guilty of some/all of those 115 charges, then Pep will have to prove himself elsewhere again, as it will have been tarnished even if through no fault of his own.

 

[Colin Warnek]

Silly thread.

 

[Alzi]

Obviously a wind up given the OP is but how do people think Man Utd would have got on if they appointed Pep after Fergie retired? Or even in 2016 when he went to City.

 

[atypical_boro]

Obviously a wind up given the OP is but how do people think Man Utd would have got on if they appointed Pep after Fergie retired? Or even in 2016 when he went to City.

He’d have kept them at the top. As would Mourinho at the time. Appointing Moyes was a stupid decision based on sentiment, because he was the same nationality as Busby and Ferguson, and I repeated this ad nauseam in the summer of 2013 to anyone who would listen.

 

[Alzi]

He’d have kept them at the top. As would Mourinho at the time. Appointing Moyes was a stupid decision based on sentiment, because he was the same nationality as Busby and Ferguson, and I repeated this ad nauseam in the summer of 2013 to anyone who would listen.

Hard to disagree. I don't think they'd be walking the league every year necessarily but would certainly be up there competing most if not every season.

Mourinho did well in terms of trophies, but they've not been serious title contenders since Ferguson left.

 

[The Card Cheat]

Is that net spend?

I imagine wage and transfer outlays combined have been at least as high as anybody else, if not higher.

According to this City are down in sixth when it comes to net spend for the last 5 years! Seems mad mind...
I agree with you I definitely don't want City to continue dominating though!

Premier League five-year net spend table: Man Utd among three clubs in £500m club

Forget the league table, it's all about the Premier League net spend table. And Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal are ahead of the other 17 after the summer transfer window...

www.football365.com

 

[Norman_Conquest]

Perhaps a bit harsh, but he inherited arguably the greatest player in history and two of the best players in the world at Barca. He then went to Bayern Munich (who always win) and then has been given any player he wants at Man City.

Seriously hope City and Chelsea get relegated due to rule breaking. Obviously that won't happen. But buying titles on that scale isn't proper football.

Why the sudden interest in buying titles?

Haven't Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal done this for years? The old first division and more so the PL hasn't been a competition for some time. It might throw up the odd anomaly like Leicester winning the title or Blackburn, who did throw money at it but not like the main group.

 

[atypical_boro]

Why the sudden interest in buying titles?

Haven't Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal done this for years? The old first division and more so the PL hasn't been a competition for some time. It might throw up the odd anomaly like Leicester winning the title or Blackburn, who did throw money at it but not like the main group.

Its an age old debate.

Liverpool/United/Arsenal were big/successful clubs long before they were sportswashed. Of course, they probably will/are going to be sportswashed now, but their success isn't PURELY because of it.

The same cannot be said of Chelsea/City, who were never anything but geopolitical manipulation vehicles. Especially City who hadn't competed for honours since the 70s.

 

[Norman_Conquest]

Its an age old debate.

Liverpool/United/Arsenal were big/successful clubs long before they were sportswashed. Of course, they probably will/are going to be sportswashed now, but their success isn't PURELY because of it.

The same cannot be said of Chelsea/City, who were never anything but geopolitical manipulation vehicles.

I understand what you are saying but Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal always scooped up the top players in the league. You only have to look at the players we lost to Liverpool in the 70's and 80's and they all played huge parts in Liverpool winning titles both domestically and internationally.

 

[atypical_boro]

I understand what you are saying but Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal always scooped up the top players in the league. You only have to look at the players we lost to Liverpool in the 70's and 80's and they all played huge parts in Liverpool winning titles both domestically and internationally.

I think the question is 'at what point did they become financially powerful'. When clubs are given a big cash injection from an oil state, it is a bit different to Liverpool just gradually getting better through the decades until they were unstoppable in the 80s. At least it is in my eyes anyway, I appreciate it is subjective.