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[BoroMart]

Doubtful given peak Tyson couldn’t even do that.

If Ruiz can catch Joshua and beat him how is it impossible for Bruno to KO him? He had some serious power.

I don't think anyone is saying Frank wouldn't have a punchers chance and could never ever KO AJ. But if you put them together 9 times out of 10 AJ would win because he hit as hard as Frank has a bigger punch variety, better movement, is 3 inches taller, and is quicker than Frank.

So yes no doubt Frank would have a punchers chance, he could KO him, but he never beat anyone as big and classy as AJ in his career so it's a hell of a stretch to say he would beat him like the other lad suggested.

Regarding Tyson, remember Tyson is 5 foot 10, AJ is 6 foot 6. Tyson was 15 1/2 stone when he fought Bruno, AJ was over 17 1/2 stone for most of his recent fights (slimmed down a bit for Ruiz II). They are completely different beasts. Surely Tyson would stick to cruiserweight in todays game, the big big guys would be far too big for him.

 

[Juninhos_Socks]

I don't think anyone is saying Frank wouldn't have a punchers chance and could never ever KO AJ. But if you put them together 9 times out of 10 AJ would win because he hit as hard as Frank has a bigger punch variety, better movement, is 3 inches taller, and is quicker than Frank.

So yes no doubt Frank would have a punchers chance, he could KO him, but he never beat anyone as big and classy as AJ in his career so it's a hell of a stretch to say he would beat him like the other lad suggested.

Regarding Tyson, remember Tyson is 5 foot 10, AJ is 6 foot 6. Tyson was 15 1/2 stone when he fought Bruno, AJ was over 17 1/2 stone for most of his recent fights (slimmed down a bit for Ruiz II). They are completely different beasts. Surely Tyson would stick to cruiserweight in todays game, the big big guys would be far too big for him.

Ruiz is severely underrated. He'd smash Bruno. In my opinion he's capable of beating anyone but Fury. Bruno was ridiculously vulnerable. When he got caught, he got hurt and he didn't have the ability to take a knee when he got hurt. Once he was buzzed it was usually curtains. He got stopped on his feet far too often.

It's daft comparing era's in the first place but even dafter when you compare someone like Bruno favorably to Anthony Joshua.

 

[Alzi]

I don't think anyone is saying Frank wouldn't have a punchers chance and could never ever KO AJ. But if you put them together 9 times out of 10 AJ would win because he hit as hard as Frank has a bigger punch variety, better movement, is 3 inches taller, and is quicker than Frank.

So yes no doubt Frank would have a punchers chance, he could KO him, but he never beat anyone as big and classy as AJ in his career so it's a hell of a stretch to say he would beat him like the other lad suggested.

Regarding Tyson, remember Tyson is 5 foot 10, AJ is 6 foot 6. Tyson was 15 1/2 stone when he fought Bruno, AJ was over 17 1/2 stone for most of his recent fights (slimmed down a bit for Ruiz II). They are completely different beasts. Surely Tyson would stick to cruiserweight in todays game, the big big guys would be far too big for him.

It’s hard to say as I agree sports science etc has moved on as with most sports. However Tyson in the 80s was rag dolling about some pretty big powerful guys (LH for example) his speed and power was incredible.

Usyk is obviously a very different fighter to Tyson but it will be quite interesting if he can live with Joshua. I think Joshua wins by ko eventually but I really rate Usyk and if he’s lucky he can get a points win.

 

[Alzi]

Ruiz is severely underrated. He'd smash Bruno. In my opinion he's capable of beating anyone but Fury. Bruno was ridiculously vulnerable. When he got caught, he got hurt and he didn't have the ability to take a knee when he got hurt. Once he was buzzed it was usually curtains. He got stopped on his feet far too often.

It's daft comparing era's in the first place but even dafter when you compare someone like Bruno favorably to Anthony Joshua.

I’m not having that. Ruiz was a joke and couldn’t do a thing when Joshua actually boxed properly against him. It was very embarrassing.

Im not saying I rate Bruno favourably to Joshua, he just seems to be very underrated on here. Maybe people only remember him from his last fight against Tyson where he was admittedly poor.

 

[BoroMart]

It’s hard to say as I agree sports science etc has moved on as with most sports. However Tyson in the 80s was rag dolling about some pretty big powerful guys (LH for example) his speed and power was incredible.

Usyk is obviously a very different fighter to Tyson but it will be quite interesting if he can live with Joshua. I think Joshua wins by ko eventually but I really rate Usyk and if he’s lucky he can get a points win.

LH had been retired for two years and had nothing left in the tank I remember people being worried that it was dangerous to wheel him out. Holmes was only 6' 2 1/2. Again small by todays standards.

The only big guy he fought that was similar size to today was Lennox and that didn't go so well. I know people argue that Tyson was shot by that point, but prime Lewis would beat prime Tyson too. He was an absolute beast.

 

[Alzi]

LH had been retired for two years and had nothing left in the tank I remember people being worried that it was dangerous to wheel him out. Holmes was only 6' 2 1/2. Again small by todays standards.

The only big guy he fought that was similar size to today was Lennox and that didn't go so well. I know people argue that Tyson was shot by that point, but prime Lewis would beat prime Tyson too. He was an absolute beast.

Agree with Lewis, he was a great. Probably retired at the right time too after a bit of luck vs Vitali. Think he was smart enough to realise he might not have been so lucky in a rematch.

 

[BoroMart]

Im not saying I rate Bruno favourably to Joshua, he just seems to be very underrated on here. Maybe people only remember him from his last fight against Tyson where he was admittedly poor.

I probably watched all his fights, he was good until he got in with the top 5 guys where he was game for a few rounds but then would get hurt.

If we look at the last 30 years of HWs we've had some good boxers but it has to be Lennox>AJ/Fury>Whyte>Bruno>Haye

Found this interesting article prior to the current crops emergence: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1937867-the-top-10-british-heavyweights-of-all-time

and a more recent one: https://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news/the-very-best-of-the-british/184342

 

[Alzi]

I probably watched all his fights, he was good until he got in with the top 5 guys where he was game for a few rounds but then would get hurt.

If we look at the last 30 years of HWs we've had some good boxers but it has to be Lennox>AJ/Fury>Whyte>Bruno>Haye

Found this interesting article prior to the current crops emergence: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1937867-the-top-10-british-heavyweights-of-all-time

and a more recent one: https://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news/the-very-best-of-the-british/184342

No Audley?

 

[BoroMart]

No Audley?

I wasn't going to list the top 47 HW of the last 30 years, I have got a life you know

 

[Juninhos_Socks]

I’m not having that. Ruiz was a joke and couldn’t do a thing when Joshua actually boxed properly against him. It was very embarrassing.

Im not saying I rate Bruno favourably to Joshua, he just seems to be very underrated on here. Maybe people only remember him from his last fight against Tyson where he was admittedly poor.

The fact Ruiz ballooned above 300lbs probably played a part in that you reckon?

Listen Bruno got beat of the likes of James Smith, who himself has over a dozen losses, and Witherspoon ended up with 10 or so losses. Not elite, nor was Bruno. Ruiz would wash him.

 

[Alzi]

Listen Bruno got beat of the likes of James Smith, who himself has over a dozen losses, and Witherspoon ended up with 10 or so losses. Not elite, nor was Bruno. Ruiz would wash him.

Other than Joshua which other greats has Ruiz beat ? He also got beat off Parker. The same Parker who was very lucky to beat Chisora and offered nothing at all against Joshua.

Shame Ruiz wasn’t his normal lean mean self for the 2nd Joshua fight.

You throw the Smith fight in but out of his 5 losses 3 of those were 2 GOAT fighters. Even the likes of Lewis lost a couple he shouldn’t have (including the same McCall Bruno beat).

Other than Joshua and at a push Parker I’m just not sure who Ruiz has fought who is any good? The facts are he has lost 2 out of 3 against decent fighters and the rest of his record is padded.

 

[BoroMart]

You throw the Smith fight in but out of his 5 losses 3 of those were 2 GOAT fighters. Even the likes of Lewis lost a couple he shouldn’t have (including the same McCall Bruno beat).

For balance you have to ask who Bruno actually beat that was any good. He squeezed past the mentally brittle but decent boxer McCall undoubtedly his career win before you consider that it was to win a title, then whose next impressive Gerrie Coatzee, and an aged Bugner, other than that most of the people he fought already 7-15 defeats on their record. He had good management did Frank, good at picking vulnerable opponents.

 

[Alzi]

For balance you have to ask who Bruno actually beat that was any good. He squeezed past the mentally brittle but decent boxer McCall undoubtedly his career win before you consider that it was to win a title, then whose next impressive Gerrie Coatzee, and an aged Bugner, other than that most of the people he fought already 7-15 defeats on their record. He had good management did Frank, good at picking vulnerable opponents.

That’s all true, Bruno was never one of the all time greats but I feel underrated and often wrongly ridiculed thanks to our lovely media.

To say he’s no Joshua is one thing to argue he’d have no chance against the likes of Ruiz is ridiculous though.

 

[MolteniArcore]

Fury will breeze through Wilder and then go on to knock Joshua out in the later rounds. He's far and away a better fighter than both of them.

 

[ForssAwakens]

For crying out loud. Joshua would absolutely obliterate Frank Bruno inside 2 or 3 rounds. I grew up with Frank and his panto and world title tilts and like all the British public, I had a soft spot for him. But in no way shape or form was he anywhere near Joshua's level.

Ye cos he’s doing that to other top 10/20 boxers

this is the type of analysis that needs ignoring

what top level fighters do a aj getting out in 2/3 rounds

 

[ForssAwakens]

Haha what're you talking about man? Tyson took him out in round 5 in the first fight and round 3 in the second. Plus Bruno was hanging on to Tyson for dear life the entire time. He did land a decent left hook which buzzed Tyson but Joshua towers over Bruno, is far more athletic, more speed, more power, more variation.

It's a demolition job.

Love Frank though.

Almost as if you describing takam, was that a demolition job.

 

[BoroMart]

Pulev was 9th round TKO but he had a better chin than frank, only Klitschko had floored him
Povetkin was 7th but had never been KOd granite chin at that point
Klitschko was stopped in 11th but was far better than Bruno
Molina was stopped in the 3rd
Breazeale was stopped in the 7th
Ruiz was on his pants in 3 but survived and won
Chaz Martin stopped in the 2nd.

Bruno gassed after 5 and didn't have as strong a chin as Povetkin and Pulev

I'd go for somewhere between 4 and 7 rounds to stop Frank. I really doubt he could make the bell of the 7th, he'd be gassed and hurt before that

 

[BoroMart]

Almost as if you describing takam, was that a demolition job.

Takam fight has to be put in persepective. He was a late replacement, and that always throws fighters, many good boxers have come unstuck with late replacements

 

[ThirdLeg]

Pulev was 9th round TKO but he had a better chin than frank, only Klitschko had floored him
Povetkin was 7th but had never been KOd granite chin at that point
Klitschko was stopped in 11th but was far better than Bruno
Molina was stopped in the 3rd
Breazeale was stopped in the 7th
Ruiz was on his pants in 3 but survived and won
Chaz Martin stopped in the 2nd.

Bruno gassed after 5 and didn't have as strong a chin as Povetkin and Pulev

I'd go for somewhere between 4 and 7 rounds to stop Frank. I really doubt he could make the bell of the 7th, he'd be gassed and hurt before that

So, to answer @GazC_MFC question he has not put any decent fighters away in 2 or 3 rounds, basically. Molina is a joke and so is Charles martin. I dont care about their rankings at the time of the fight and neither should anyone with a pair of eyes.

A few good KOs of 40 year old men in the second half of the fight in there though.

 

[BoroMart]

So, to answer @GazC_MFC question he has not put any decent fighters away in 2 or 3 rounds, basically. Molina is a joke and so is Charles martin. I dont care about their rankings at the time of the fight and neither should anyone with a pair of eyes.

A few good KOs of 40 year old men in the second half of the fight in there though.

but they were world class 40 year olds, above Brunos and with better chins than Brunos, like I said 4-8 round and Bruno would turn into a heavybag, just standing their eyes glazed waiting to be hit again