Greatest living orator

speckyget said:
As a few of the deceased have crept into the thread, shout - as the youngsters say - out, to JFK. Berlin speech retains its power 50 years on.
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Seems to be a pattern on how they gauge great Orators in the USA, if you're shot and killed you're deemed good.

The UK equivalence is the custard pie in the face for Rupert Murdoch, no hearings or Abraham Zapruder film.
 
Nigel Farage has a genius, like a lot of right wing mouthpieces, to hold an entire crowd with his pig ignorant thoughts and ideology. Whoever tries to debate him usually ends up being bitch slapped down into submission as he seems to have an answer, although usually patently untrue, for everything put his way.
A very dangerous man who has caused a lot of damage to this country under the guise of saving it.
 
MoggasDog said:
Nigel Farage has a genius, like a lot of right wing mouthpieces, to hold an entire crowd with his pig ignorant thoughts and ideology. Whoever tries to debate him usually ends up being bitch slapped down into submission as he seems to have an answer, although usually patently untrue, for everything put his way.
A very dangerous man who has caused a lot of damage to this country under the guise of saving it.
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The trick of fraudsters like Farage is to use the emotive/subjective and wrap it up as fact. Incredibly difficult to debate with someone who holds zero truck with science or logic. It's the Brexit vote boiled down, intellect versus emotion.
 
changingman said:
The trick of fraudsters like Farage is to use the emotive/subjective and wrap it up as fact. Incredibly difficult to debate with someone who holds zero truck with science or logic.
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Especially if the person debating relies on truth and logic. It takes a lot more effort to pick apart and refute his style of b0llocks than it ever does to make it in the first place.
 
changingman said:
The trick of fraudsters like Farage is to use the emotive/subjective and wrap it up as fact. Incredibly difficult to debate with someone who holds zero truck with science or logic. It's the Brexit vote boiled down, intellect versus emotion.
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Always seemed to me a Establishment plant. Had more air time from the BBC than any living MP, yet he wasn't a UK MP. Mates in high places has Farrage.
The BBC narrative is majorly right wing bordering on far right wing imho. Look at that xxxx with the weetabix on his head - Andrew Neil or Murdochs rimmer as he is known. Corbyn stupidly went on his show to be interviewed, and Neil just shrugged his shoulders when Johnson refused to. Talk about a set up.
 
locomansimon said:
disagree on Corbyn, seen him a couple of times and thought he was very inspiring, best PM we never had.
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what he says is absolutely to my way of thinking, but he isnt the best speaker in public - he says the correct things, but compared to the best he isnt on their level - unfortunately for us, if he was better at it he would deliver us from salvation.

i should add, that ive spoken with corbyn 1-1 and ive seen him speak countless times around these islands - i just wish he had a bit more bite, a bit more Bob Crow or Mick Lynch.

one of the best political speeches i have ever seen and heard was off Gordon Brown on the back of a lorry in 1995 before the blair project was elected - he was electric, passionate and brutally honest - to say i was surprised would be an understatement - but i will never forget it.
 
The best I've heard was at my Unions annual conference in 1997, just after Labour had been swept into power. It was the opening address, by Ronnie Scott (No, not that one), the then President of the Fire Brigades Union. It was superb.

I also liked Michael Sheen's speech in support of theHealth Service quite a few years later.
 
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