Greatest living orator

red_clowne said:
I must give a huge shout out for Dennis Skinner.
In the 1980's, particularly during the Miners' Strike, he would easily outshine Scargill at the rallies that I attended.
He was the most motivational politician of the time, without doubt.
His health is not what it was, he used to cycle around his constituency in the 70's and 80's - he never drove, but he is still with us.
Click to expand...
Morning red.
Our mutual friend, Ray192 [rest his soul], thought a lot of Dennis Skinner and often mentioned how Dennis took Thatcher to bits.(y)
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
I have always believed that powerful discourse could influence people but now, having read your post, I must say I totally agree. No argument, no matter how well framed, has the power to change minds.
Click to expand...

Maybe, the word ‘argument’ is the problem.
Its mere definition is the epitome of dogma and, I agree, is unlikely (at best) to change minds.

In order to be persuasive a number of things have to be in place - respectful conversation and responses, listening, openness et al
 
I dislike Farage, and his politics, but the reason Brexit happened in this country is in no small part down to him. He is a very good orator in truth.
 
Last edited:
This Irish MEP never fails to impress me with her honesty and courage of her convictions.
She`s not the only Irish MEP to be as forthright.
Indeed, we could do a lot worse than listen to Ireland on its stance on world afairs.

 
r00fie1 said:
Morning red.
Our mutual friend, Ray192 [rest his soul], thought a lot of Dennis Skinner and often mentioned how Dennis took Thatcher to bits.(y)
Click to expand...
Wonderful turn of phrase.

I always remember his comments about the opposition ‘liars’.

Asked to rescind, he then turned it around and said how many told the truth 🤣🤣
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
its one of the greatest gifts of man - its not about winning arguments, its about talking with a soul, moving you to laughter, tears, thought and self assessment.

should you have asked this question before February of this year i would have Zia Mohyeddin - an absolute master.

of the political americans that are still with us, Jesse Jackson has always been worth listening to - its no act with him, its from the school of dead hard knocks - it becomes very powerful.

gas bags like farage, kinnock, de pfeffel, etc are best ignored, politicians such as Starmer & Corbyn, Major & Truss, are just not very good at speaking to crowds.

hitler spoke codswallop and all that shoutin and arm movements is quite tedious - history says that Trotsky was a mesmerising speaker

whilst actors are just that - an Act .

the rules for public speaking are; know your stuff - know who your stuffing - and stop when they are stuffed.
Click to expand...
disagree on Corbyn, seen him a couple of times and thought he was very inspiring, best PM we never had.
 
George Watson aka Chicken George.

The pre-match words of Chicken George before the final league game on a rain soaked pitch that we needed to get a rest from will stay with me for ever.

Spoken in a full on Teesside accent.

“Don’t ferk about on this pitch, if their winger is coming at you, put him over the Trunk Rd bridge. Clear your lines and just hoof it up top”. 😜😜🤣

Truthfully though, during my time in heavy industry, some of the shop floor union leaders were brilliant at getting their message over to the workers.

A few years back I was in Newcastle shopping and Ian Lavery was giving a speech (Enough is Enough) near the monument and the place fell in deadly silence to listen to him, with shoppers stopping to take in what he was saying.
 
Last edited:
BlindBoyGrunt said:
I have always believed that powerful discourse could influence people but now, having read your post, I must say I totally agree. No argument, no matter how well framed, has the power to change minds.
Click to expand...
Yes, though I do think it can influence or inspire people who don’t really care one way or the other before they hear it.

I think that the environments where we use oratory though - politics, mainly - you’re preaching to the converted, and the “other side” will disagree with everything you say on principle. No one who already has an opinion is listening, and there’s a lot of opinions around now. I think Ed Milliband puts together a brilliant speech now and again, but it’s not swaying any votes in Parliament - everyone is going to vote down party lines regardless. It’s more an exercise in being clever.

Let’s be honest, three word slogans and memes are more influential in 2023.
 
Galloway was at his best when he gave the USA Senate their ar$ e

I still listen to Carl Sagan`s old addresses I still listen to them regularly. Perhaps MLK was the best Orator I've watched back on TV and the computer, so very powerful and emotional.

Obama was a good listen.


This bloke below makes the hairs stand up on Telly Savalas bonce, how can you not be inspired by this barnacle. (he should wear his gegs)

 
As a few of the deceased have crept into the thread, shout - as the youngsters say - out, to JFK. Berlin speech retains its power 50 years on.
 
"Let’s be honest, three word slogans and memes are more influential in 2023."

I suppose people like to see what the person is made of from a speech, and the old "Statesman" slogan.

Take Penny Mordaunt, what a speech that fight, fight, fight:ROFLMAO:

Its not a new thing that's why the likes of Johnson and May were elected by the internet idiots .

Visual is very powerful, take the Conservative Thatcher - Labour isn't working poster.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top