Gun fights in Middlesbrough

[r00fie1]

It's not the insignificant and irrelevant thing you appear to be making it out to be Roofie.
It is not racist to identify who is at the core of illegal activities.

Its relevant in regards to the bigger issue - it doesnt matter whether they come from Albania or Scotland.
If anyone couches an arguement by setting the parameters around race and nationality - the inference is not the drugs being the problem, but the nationality - "foreigners".

My concern is not fuelled by their nationality. I called them foreign drug gangs as that is what they are. I could have typed Kurdish and Albanian drug gangs but that would take more time.

I really can't stress to you enough your need to remove your quote calling me a racist. Remove it

Done.

 

[r00fie1]

It only looks that way to someone obsessed with race which I am not. You clearly are. Now remove your post as I have asked you politely on a number of occasions

Im not "obsessed" with race - but Ive seen the consequencies to innocent people who have been labeled by others.

 

[Londons_Moggie]

Its relevant in regards to the bigger issue - it doesnt matter whether they come from Albania or Scotland.
If anyone couches an arguement by setting the parameters around race and nationality - the inference is not the drugs being the problem, but the nationality - "foreigners".

Done.

Thank you

 

[indeedido]

Its the fact you use race and nationality to fuel your "concern" - classic.
No race - baiting here.
My narrative is that "drugs" use is a major issue - nothing to do with race or colour of skin or nationality.

Its the laws in this country and the ideology of "Drugs Tzar" and "War on drugs" which causes the issues.
Decriminalising drugs like Canabbis - selling it on licensed premises, would destroy part of the illicit drugs market overnight.
Enabling access to clean kit and heroin substitutes would reduce the risk of shared needles and infections.

Illegalisation of "legal highs" has increased the drug "problem" across the country - with people making a fortune out of street drugs [MDMA] filled with all kinds of rubbish.

Taking back control from "drugs gangs" begins with a complete reorientation of UK Policy towards the use of illicit substances.

More people die each year from Alcohol - related deseases than from the use of heroin - but Alcohol is big business and legal.
The social fall - out from alcohol includes domestic violence, mental health issues, including dependency and many other serious issues.
I`ve never seen anyone in A&E on Friday night covered in blood from fighting because they had too many spliffs?!

This country`s policy regards drug and substance use is the root of the problem.
In the 60s LSD was a big issue, then amphetamines, etc, etc.

Whats happening today is nothing new.
It was white hippies flogging drugs when I was a lad.
It was greebo`s and skin heads who flogged stuff at parties and nightclubs.
Its what we do with the issues, not the person and their origins.....

So Alcohol is legal, branded, massive business and causes the death and illness of more people than Heroin or other narcotics.
Why legalise Heroin, Cocaine, Crack or whatever if that is the path they follow?

The legalisation argument simply does not stack up.
I am all for focusing on addicts and treatment and making things safer, but I'm also all for trying to get people educated about the reality of addiction to prevent consumption. But I'm just as in favour of cracking down on the scum who control and distribute the supply, wherever they come from.

 

[r00fie1]

So Alcohol is legal, branded, massive business and causes the death and illness of more people than Heroin or other narcotics.
Why legalise Heroin, Cocaine, Crack or whatever if that is the path they follow?

The legalisation argument simply does not stack up.
I am all for focusing on addicts and treatment and making things safer, but I'm also all for trying to get people educated about the reality of addiction to prevent consumption. But I'm just as in favour of cracking down on the scum who control and distribute the supply, wherever they come from.

Thats ok Indeedido.

I have as much contempt for those who exploit school kids by selling them illicit pills made from crap and those unscrupilous carriers - as you do.
The fact that people like that have "control" is the concern.
The other question is why do people use illicit drugs in the first place?
I`ve worked in Dual Diagnosis with drug - users and also with the victims of crime, including domestic violence, and its painful to see the consequencies.

What I would rather consider is what we do about the situation - because as a strategy it isnt working and puts "control" on the street.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

So Alcohol is legal, branded, massive business and causes the death and illness of more people than Heroin or other narcotics.
Why legalise Heroin, Cocaine, Crack or whatever if that is the path they follow?

The legalisation argument simply does not stack up.
I am all for focusing on addicts and treatment and making things safer, but I'm also all for trying to get people educated about the reality of addiction to prevent consumption. But I'm just as in favour of cracking down on the scum who control and distribute the supply, wherever they come from.

If you don't think that the legalisation argument doesn't add up, do some research into alcohol prohibition.
Alcohol is one of the most addictive and dangerous drugs known to man but it is far safer now than when production, distribution and quality control were in the hands of gangsters. A recent survey demonstrated that underage kids now find it harder to buy alcohol than cannabis.

 

[r00fie1]

If you don't think that the legalisation argument doesn't add up, do some research into alcohol prohibition.
Alcohol is one of the most addictive and dangerous drugs known to man but it is far safer now than when production, distribution and quality control were in the hands of gangsters. A recent survey demonstrated that underage kids now find it harder to buy alcohol than cannabis.

And its easier for kids to get "sniff" and "brown" than nicotine - another legal killer
Tragic.

 

[WoodallServices]

Do they live in Boro?

 

[Randy]

And its easier for kids to get "sniff" and "brown" than nicotine - another legal killer
Tragic.

Not just kids.

I've never touched coke in my life but I know of at least 5 people that do sniff it for reasons I'll never understand. All it takes is one phonecall to the right person and they are sorted within 45 minutes.

 

[Redwurzel]

My fear is that crime increases as users become more desperate for cash and as more violence is used on them or threatened on them. The people controlling the drugs seem to becoming more distant and more violent. The innocent general public can end up victims of robbery and burglary.

 

[Omega]

Only on this board could a post about trouble in the town I live in be turned into something racist or the EU brought into it. To answer why I am concerned is I live in Teeside