I do love an EV thread.

guisborough_rob said:
My partner has a VW ID3. She thinks it’s marvellous though we did get a podpoint fitted in our garage once she had bought the car. We have never had to use external chargers at all since we got the car last August.

For info, her slippers are from Seasalt bought in the Christmas sale for a tenner.
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My partner didn't like the ID.3 for some reason when she tested it (Slipper Make unknown, probably Primark). Shame I really liked it a lot. it's a very stylish car.

You're lucky to have home charging. It's a real game changer isn't it?
 
guisborough_rob said:
My partner has a VW ID3. She thinks it’s marvellous though we did get a podpoint fitted in our garage once she had bought the car. We have never had to use external chargers at all since we got the car last August.

For info, her slippers are from Seasalt bought in the Christmas sale for a tenner.
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Looking at EV and home charger. What was the increase in your electricity bill? I do about 150 miles a week.
 
Been waiting 10 months for mine. They start building the range in May (although some already part built cars will be last to be finished.)
All v strange but, hey ho, I’ll hang on now
 
EVs are all SUVs for 2 reasons.
1. Everyone wants an SUV these days.
2. More space for battery so bigger capacity which means better range.

The smaller EV cars are best for regular short commutes. Colleague at work got the eGolf and it only goes 100 miles. He says it's a pain going anywhere in it so it's just a commuter.
 
Nano said:
EVs are all SUVs for 2 reasons.
1. Everyone wants an SUV these days.
2. More space for battery so bigger capacity which means better range.

The smaller EV cars are best for regular short commutes. Colleague at work got the eGolf and it only goes 100 miles. He says it's a pain going anywhere in it so it's just a commuter.
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There goes that explosion again.
 
Nano said:
EVs are all SUVs for 2 reasons.
1. Everyone wants an SUV these days.
2. More space for battery so bigger capacity which means better range.

The smaller EV cars are best for regular short commutes. Colleague at work got the eGolf and it only goes 100 miles. He says it's a pain going anywhere in it so it's just a commuter.
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First point is sadly correct. Second point not.

I have a saloon car and it has a massive battery.
 
1finny said:
Been waiting 10 months for mine. They start building the range in May (although some already part built cars will be last to be finished.)
All v strange but, hey ho, I’ll hang on now
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Chip shortage? Everyone is struggling to build cars these days. Not an EV issue at all.
 
DearChicago said:
Looking at EV and home charger. What was the increase in your electricity bill? I do about 150 miles a week.
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Luckily, we have Octopus energy and get cheap rates (5p/KwHr) between 12.30 and 4.30 am. We can set the podpoint via the app to come on for that time and we get pretty much a 50% car charge in those four hours. Our bill was £12 during that time for the whole of last month, and that includes using the washer and dishwasher as well. I wish I could fill up my diesel car for £12 a month!!
 
The BBC did a recent analysis of the cost of running an electric car against an Unleaded petrol one. They used a Corsa as the specs are very similar of electric and petrol. They looked a financial cost and environmental cost. On finance they made a judgement of long analysis that the electric car saved 10p/mile running costs over petrol. Based on the extra purchase cost of £5k it would take 50k miles to break even, so an average Corsa would pay for itself over its life. Environmentally it was more difficult to assess, because the source of the electricity is often difficult to prove. They did not look at other factors of ownership such as range. The financial costs were based on April 2022. Future costs/prices/subsidies are difficult to predict.

Guisborough Rob - Your 5p per Kw will not last for long I have just read normal Kw rate is now 28p in the UK, even if it were half price off peak thats 14p per Kw. Octupus must be losing a lot of money supplying it at 5p/kw. Electricity prices are also expected to rise 20% in October when the cap is increased again.
 
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Redwurzel said:
The BBC did a recent analysis of the cost of running an electric car against an Unleaded petrol one. They used a Corsa as the specs are very similar of electric and petrol. They looked a financial cost and environmental cost. On finance they made a judgement of long analysis that the electric car saved 10p/mile running costs over petrol. Based on the extra purchase cost of £5k it would take 50k miles to break even, so an average Corsa would pay for itself over its life. Environmentally it was more difficult to assess, because the source of the electricity is often difficult to prove. They did not look at other factors of ownership such as range. The financial costs were based on April 2022. Future costs/prices/subsidies are difficult to predict.

Guisborough Rob - Your 5p per Kw will not last for long I have just read normal Kw rate is now 28p in the UK, even if it were half price off peak thats 14p per Kw. Octupus must be losing a lot of money supplying it at 5p/kw. Electricity prices are also expected to rise 20% in October when the cap is increased again.
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Even now overnight electricity is still cheaper. I think their current rate for new customers or those coming to the end of their tariff is 7.5p per kWh. It will still go up but the off peak is likely to remain well priced.
 
Redwurzel said:
The BBC did a recent analysis of the cost of running an electric car against an Unleaded petrol one. They used a Corsa as the specs are very similar of electric and petrol. They looked a financial cost and environmental cost. On finance they made a judgement of long analysis that the electric car saved 10p/mile running costs over petrol. Based on the extra purchase cost of £5k it would take 50k miles to break even, so an average Corsa would pay for itself over its life. Environmentally it was more difficult to assess, because the source of the electricity is often difficult to prove. They did not look at other factors of ownership such as range. The financial costs were based on April 2022. Future costs/prices/subsidies are difficult to predict.

Guisborough Rob - Your 5p per Kw will not last for long I have just read normal Kw rate is now 28p in the UK, even if it were half price off peak thats 14p per Kw. Octupus must be losing a lot of money supplying it at 5p/kw. Electricity prices are also expected to rise 20% in October when the cap is increased again.
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I don't use octopus but actually that price will stay very low for the foreseeable future due to a process in how the network is run and how wholesale prices are set.

I'm not smart enough to explain it myself but essentially it's not a gimmick. It's a sensible use of resources when there is least demand being placed on the system.

People are starting to use this as part of a home battery storage approach. Charging their home battery system in that period and using stored energy in the peak times. The costs are not prohibitive either to install.
 
OK change my 14p to 7.5p for the next 6 months. Still a 50% increase on 5p and it will likely increase in October by 25%. Concerning I know. The BBC used off peak electricity prices.

I have no agenda but running an off peak network with electricity at 25% of its daytime price could easily change if demand patterns change. For example if in the future 5m electric vehicles plug in at midnight that did not in the past and/or do not during the day. Another issue is that we basically don't store electricity in this country through the national grid system which is a problem with renewables like solar and wind that come in bursts. I would guess this has an impact on prices. If we begin to store electricity the pricing of day and night electricity I expect would become more even, as the supply will be more in line with demand. UK Battery facilties are starting to be developed for this first time (see a company called Gore Street Energy Storage that now has 700MW of storage capacity in the UK and Eire) and in 5 years time there should be a significant amount of storage available. It will also mean more greener energy on our grid.
 
Randy said:
Are EV's egg vans?
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They have not improved much from a milk float.

Ask any delivery company.

Battery range
The majority of electric vans have a quoted range in the region of 100-220 miles, and while some vans can achieve more than 200 miles, cold weather can cause range to drop to as little as 50 miles on some other models.
 
Apologies to Nano its not personally - but these EVs threads and posts can trigger a bit of anger in me - a feeling of out of touchness.


"EVs are all SUVs for 2 reasons.
1. Everyone wants an SUV these days."

A growing % of the UK population can't afford to feed and heat while another group worry about where the next SUV is coming from.

I suppose when people talk about £450 for a season ticket as affordable (and I am guilty of this) it does the same to others that can't afford £100. I guess I see a vehicle as something mainly to get a person from A to B, while for others is much much more.
 
Okay, time for me to join the party, having only lurked on this subject.

I have the Peugeot E-2008, which I will have had for a year now and yes, the torque and speed is phenomenal , but it’s not something you can sustain, unless your planning on regular visits to a charge point.

I now drive round in ‘Eco’ mode (it has 3 modes, Normal, Eco and Sport..why it has a Sport mode is beyond me, as a 2 mile journey can easily eliminate 10 miles from the battery) and I have now mastered being able to actually increase the ‘available mileage’ on my trip to and from work, just don’t drive to close to my rear on the A66, as I tend to regularly ‘lift off’ the throttle to help harvest/recharge the battery 😁.

I still believe they are the future, but only when the technology is innovated, and batteries have a range of 300-400 miles on a single charge, and the charge point infrastructure in the North East of England is also improved.

At the moment they are ideal for shorter/journeys around town, but still a bit of a way to go before Im fully confident of the longer journeys. I know it sounds like I’m defeating the point of having an electric vehicle, but if I’m going to work away from the area, I tend to use the diesel car.
 
Redwurzel said:
The BBC did a recent analysis of the cost of running an electric car against an Unleaded petrol one. They used a Corsa as the specs are very similar of electric and petrol. They looked a financial cost and environmental cost. On finance they made a judgement of long analysis that the electric car saved 10p/mile running costs over petrol. Based on the extra purchase cost of £5k it would take 50k miles to break even, so an average Corsa would pay for itself over its life. Environmentally it was more difficult to assess, because the source of the electricity is often difficult to prove. They did not look at other factors of ownership such as range. The financial costs were based on April 2022. Future costs/prices/subsidies are difficult to predict.

Guisborough Rob - Your 5p per Kw will not last for long I have just read normal Kw rate is now 28p in the UK, even if it were half price off peak thats 14p per Kw. Octupus must be losing a lot of money supplying it at 5p/kw. Electricity prices are also expected to rise 20% in October when the cap is increased again.
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Yes, the bbc also did a piece trying to trash EV this week too. They lied in that as well. I doubt the comparison piece was a fair comparison either. I think we've established beyond reasonable doubt that anyone wanting to compare ev v ice running costs has to specifically pick a much more expensive and higher spec EV to make their "argument" work. Happens time and time again
 
Same_as_before said:
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Ask any delivery company.
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I asked amazon

Amazon Orders 1,800 Mercedes-Benz Electric Delivery Vans For UK And EU | Vertu Motors

Amazon announced that they�re buying 1,800 electric vans from Mercedes-Benz for their European delivery fleets, for their goal to be carbon-neutral by 2040.
www.vertumotors.com www.vertumotors.com

www.driving.co.uk

Amazon rolls out first of 100,000 custom-built electric delivery vans from Tesla-rival Rivian

Electric delivery vans made by American start-up Rivian have hit the road for online marketplace Amazon.
www.driving.co.uk www.driving.co.uk

Glad to correct more EV misinformation
 
TheBoroBuzzard said:
Okay, time for me to join the party, having only lurked on this subject.

I have the Peugeot E-2008, which I will have had for a year now and yes, the torque and speed is phenomenal , but it’s not something you can sustain, unless your planning on regular visits to a charge point.

I now drive round in ‘Eco’ mode (it has 3 modes, Normal, Eco and Sport..why it has a Sport mode is beyond me, as a 2 mile journey can easily eliminate 10 miles from the battery) and I have now mastered being able to actually increase the ‘available mileage’ on my trip to and from work, just don’t drive to close to my rear on the A66, as I tend to regularly ‘lift off’ the throttle to help harvest/recharge the battery 😁.

I still believe they are the future, but only when the technology is innovated, and batteries have a range of 300-400 miles on a single charge, and the charge point infrastructure in the North East of England is also improved.

At the moment they are ideal for shorter/journeys around town, but still a bit of a way to go before Im fully confident of the longer journeys. I know it sounds like I’m defeating the point of having an electric vehicle, but if I’m going to work away from the area, I tend to use the diesel car.
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How often do you drive over 200 miles?
 
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