I would like to issue an Apology to members of this board

I voted tory aswell it seemed a better choice than corbyn and Abbott, who knows what would have been but I wish I didn't bother.
 
Tom_Boro said:
I voted tory aswell it seemed a better choice than corbyn and Abbott, who knows what would have been but I wish I didn't bother.
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How?

A proven liar against a man who looked a bit pithy but genuinely wanted to do what's best.

Also why are you voting for personalities? read their manifestos, see what they intend to do for you. Parties make policies not personalities.

Boris hasn't had one decent idea his whole life, fired for lying multiple times in politics and private industry. What made him more appealing? Genuinely I hear this line parroted a lot and I just don't get it! He is and was then a known liar, why would anyone think he was a better choice?
 
JonnyHistory said:
How?

A proven liar against a man who looked a bit pithy but genuinely wanted to do what's best.

Also why are you voting for personalities? read their manifestos, see what they intend to do for you. Parties make policies not personalities.

Boris hasn't had one decent idea his whole life, fired for lying multiple times in politics and private industry. What made him more appealing? Genuinely I hear this line parroted a lot and I just don't get it! He is and was then a known liar, why would anyone think he was a better choice?
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I'm not uber keen on politics especially the timing of that vote when I was in my 20s, personality was a big factor and also online propaganda definitely swayed me. I'm a lot more switched on today than I was then and I'd hope I would make the correct decision at the next ballot.
 
JonnyHistory said:
Nazis never won a majority, they where a minority party when Hitler was given the chancellorship. Most Germans rejected the Nazis, what happened after is there for all to see but the electorate never put him in power, their politicians did.
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But without public support they couldn't have done what they did, people dhould take responsibility for what they vote for especially when its blatantly clear what they stand for.
The mess the country is in isn't down to johnson gove , the sun or the mail its those that give them the power.
Johnson doesn't stand for anything, other than what would put him into number 10.
He wasn't even a brexiter, he just tapped into what a good chunk of the county really think.
Racism, xenophobia and delusions of grandeur are vote winners.
The right wing press tap into the same, it's a vote winner and it sells papers sadly.
It won't be MPs greed or cronyism that will be his downfall, many don't care and just trot out "they are all the same "", it will be the fact that imigrants are still turning up on the beaches, the EU isn't begging us for deals, the shop shelves are empty and people are worse off financially.
When it becomes obvious that johnson couldn't deliver the the undeliverable then they will turn to the next snake oil salesman.
The country hasnt lurched to the right, its just finding out it was always on that side of the political divide.
 
Tom_Boro said:
I'm not uber keen on politics especially the timing of that vote when I was in my 20s, personality was a big factor and also online propaganda definitely swayed me. I'm a lot more switched on today than I was then and I'd hope I would make the correct decision at the next ballot.
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That's understandable, low information voters only get press (mostly right leaning) headlines to base their opinion on. Information is key, politics should be mandatory at school and the opinion needs to be reduced in the press. It's becoming more and more narrative and sensationalized, it's not good for democracy.

Never believe what comes out their mouths, read the police's, manifestos and legislation and see what is really going on every time. Glad you come through the other side. Wherever your political compass is and who you vote for is irrelevant, as long as you are making a informed judgement it's always going to be the right choice for you based on your political leanings.
 
DrummerMan said:
I voted for Boris Johnson in 2019. I believed his promises. I wish I didn't as he is just as bad, if not worse, than the rest of them.

He has lied and broken his Manifesto promises. Come next General Election, I won't be voting for him or the Tories again.

I never believed that HS2 was a good thing - but if it was going to be built, I always said it should be from the North downwards because we knew this would probably happen

Cancelling the Northern part, is like the Lib Dems and University Fees (I know that was a Tory Policy as well - but the Lib Dems took the blame)

Don't even get me started on the Owen Paterson stuff

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are witnessing how to lose an 80 seat majority

I can't say any more on Politics, due to mine and Rob's gentleman agreement
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I must also apologise for voting Labour at at the last electin. It really annoys me that my vote was wasted on a party that had as much chance of winning the election as a one legged cat burying a turd on a frozen pond. I was just fooled by the promise of free broadband and free beer. I realised my mistake when the results started to come in and seats that had been won by Labour for nigh on 100 years were coming in blue. if Labour can not beat this current currupt inept shower of shight at the next election then its time to give up
 
jam69 said:
But without public support they couldn't have done what they did, people dhould take responsibility for what they vote for especially when its blatantly clear what they stand for.
The mess the country is in isn't down to johnson gove , the sun or the mail its those that give them the power.
Johnson doesn't stand for anything, other than what would put him into number 10.
He wasn't even a brexiter, he just tapped into what a good chunk of the county really think.
Racism, xenophobia and delusions of grandeur are vote winners.
The right wing press tap into the same, it's a vote winner and it sells papers sadly.
It won't be MPs greed or cronyism that will be his downfall, many don't care and just trot out "they are all the same "", it will be the fact that imigrants are still turning up on the beaches, the EU isn't begging us for deals, the shop shelves are empty and people are worse off financially.
When it becomes obvious that johnson couldn't deliver the the undeliverable then they will turn to the next snake oil salesman.
The country hasnt lurched to the right, its just finding out it was always on that side of the political divide.
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Propaganda is always central to power. You are absolutely spot on the, I've read a really interesting thesis recently on similar lines many years ago. as far as I remember, she hypothesises from certainly early modern history onwards, those who control the message win the war. Political or otherwise, control of information people have to form opinions has won out. I wasn't 100% on all of what she theorized but it was certainly an eye opening preposition.
 
HundredRoom said:
I must also apologise for voting Labour at at the last electin. It really annoys me that my vote was wasted on a party that had as much chance of winning the election as a one legged cat burying a turd on a frozen pond. I was just fooled by the promise of free broadband and free beer. I realised my mistake when the results started to come in and seats that had been won by Labour for nigh on 100 years were coming in blue. if Labour can not beat this current currupt inept shower of shight at the next election then its time to give up
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In hindsight you wish you had voted for the winning side?
 
HundredRoom said:
I must also apologise for voting Labour at at the last electin. It really annoys me that my vote was wasted on a party that had as much chance of winning the election as a one legged cat burying a turd on a frozen pond. I was just fooled by the promise of free broadband and free beer. I realised my mistake when the results started to come in and seats that had been won by Labour for nigh on 100 years were coming in blue. if Labour can not beat this current currupt inept shower of shight at the next election then its time to give up
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You know as well as I do that the last election was all about Brexit. What about 2017? When Corbyn's labour still wiped out May's majority after the most relentless press campaign of lies and smears imaginable? Doesn't suit your agenda to think about that though, does it? Well done mate. You got a bite out of me.
 
bumface said:
You know as well as I do that the last election was all about Brexit. What about 2017? When Corbyn's labour still wiped out May's majority after the most relentless press campaign of lies and smears imaginable? Doesn't suit your agenda to think about that though, does it? Well done mate. You got a bite out of me.
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you are mister reliable

like that old geyser in yellowstoe
 
I think everyone of us who votes knows that despite the optimism during the voting process no matter who you vote for or support the decision to vote is the most important thing. Whatever happens after that is immaterial as politicians and people are allowed to change their minds and alter their path to success— rightly or wrongly.
 
DrummerMan said:
I voted for Boris Johnson in 2019. I believed his promises. I wish I didn't as he is just as bad, if not worse, than the rest of them.

He has lied and broken his Manifesto promises. Come next General Election, I won't be voting for him or the Tories again.

I never believed that HS2 was a good thing - but if it was going to be built, I always said it should be from the North downwards because we knew this would probably happen

Cancelling the Northern part, is like the Lib Dems and University Fees (I know that was a Tory Policy as well - but the Lib Dems took the blame)

Don't even get me started on the Owen Paterson stuff

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are witnessing how to lose an 80 seat majority

I can't say any more on Politics, due to mine and Rob's gentleman agreement
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Good man - takes a lot accept when you've got something wrong.

I thought we'd go up under Mogga and that Monk was a decent appointment!!
 
There is no need for anyone to apologise for voting whichever way they did, they should however learn from it.

As for politicians not delivering on promises. To an extent they are no more in charge of the winds of change than any one of us on here. What you should choose them on is that you can trust them to act in the best interests of the people of this country. They are our representatives and we should expect them to take decisions on that basis - not on what they and their chums can make out of it.
 
bumface said:
You'd be wrong then. I voted for Labour under Corbyn but I won't be voting for Starmer's Labour. I won't be voting for The Tories either of course because I'd rather cut my own bollox off then do that. No point in voting for a Labour Party that is desperately trying to become the Tory Party. I need a genuine alternative that I can believe in and that certainly isn't Starmer.
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....Vote Nobby ?
 
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