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SmallTown said:
No, see my point above and we've had the TCO discussion before. Ignoring it won't help. I suggest you go and look for them
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I am really not that interested. If I want to drive to London I want to do it without a stop, not a 45 minute recharge break. I also don't think all EVs cost 50k, of course they don't. The cheaper ones are like driving around in a tin can and have minimal range. My point was show me an EV and ICE car at ÂŁ50k each and I know which one most would choose. I am further away from an EV than ever before. There is also absolutely zero chance that ICE's will stop production in 2030 ZERO!
 
Stellify said:
haven't read it all but anyone on the left of the spectrum blaming the current government have no idea. We need energy, lots of it cheapy. Fossil fuel is that, if you are against that, which Labour are more against it than the Tories, then you advocate the shutting and offshoring of industry. Simple as. Net Zero will be the final nail in the coffin for the west.
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I believe you have a point. It puts more reliance on other countries, mainly ones in the Middle East. We are paying extortionate import costs for coal and live on an island of it. The world needs Oil and Gas, we have an abundance of it, years and years left of it but lets stop drilling it. Ridiculous!
 
Sergio said:
Look at the state of the push for electric cars. The infrastructure just isn't ready for it. Electric car deals whether it be lease or PCP and ridiculously high for bang average cars. Then you have to factor in the cost of a charger and the extra from electricity unless you can get a good EV deal but even then your electric is only cheap at night. I know at least 3 people who went electric who are either going back full petrol or hybrid as a compromise because they are sick of having to plan in a charge stop for longer journey's.
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This argument is has been done on here a million times but personally I think if you need to stop for a charge on a long journey you should be stopping anyway and journeys that long aren’t regular. If they are maybe they shouldn’t have bought an EV.
 
Getting back to the original point.

Don’t discount industry lobbyists influencing government policy. I suspect that has been happening a lot in the last couple of years. It’s a known fact the likes of BP and Shell have lobbied successive governments since the 70’s. This has resulted in less tax being collected by about £200 billion.

Lobbying and so called “think tanks” do much more than the general public realise.
 
Motorists pay billions in extra tax aboce what is spent on our roads - so if any body has been lobbying about the tax on cars and fuel they must have done a poor job.

Car tax is around ÂŁ165 a year

Petrol is around 60% tax?

No one is able to say what is to replace the tax on fuel.

Or who is to pay for the extra damage caused by heavier electric vehicles to our roads and infrastructures.
 
MolteniArcore said:
This argument is has been done on here a million times but personally I think if you need to stop for a charge on a long journey you should be stopping anyway and journeys that long aren’t regular. If they are maybe they shouldn’t have bought an EV.
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To be fair - My guess is that range will increase in the future as it has over the last 10 years. It used to be 100 mile range for an average EV, now its more like 180 miles.

Myself I drove 250 miles on Monday without a stop, so I would like a EV that quotes over 300 mile range. I can easily travel for 4.5 hours without going to the toilet and I think I am fairly typical of an adult.

You also need to know a supercharger will be readily available along your long journey i,e there is one, it works, and it is not been used.
 
MolteniArcore said:
This argument is has been done on here a million times but personally I think if you need to stop for a charge on a long journey you should be stopping anyway and journeys that long aren’t regular. If they are maybe they shouldn’t have bought an EV.
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Why should you stop? I used to do a 4.5 hour drive to Norfolk quite regular and often done without a stop, roughly 230 miles. Even on my last long trip 300 miles its a quick toilet stop and back on the road if needs be
 
Personally the annoyance of my EV is when I travel somewhere 200 miles away (which I do regularly because of family). The car can get there, and I would rather do it in one stop but we need the car while we're there usually, even just for 20/30 miles, which means we have to stop and charge on the way. Even if we charge fully we need another stop on the way home. In an ICE it would be 2 mins stop but in an EV it's an extra 1.5hr total travel time

It's not worth not having an EV but it is annoying.
 
I think that battery electric vehicles and air source heating pumps will ultimately prove to be the 'betamax' of their relevant fields. Unfortunately until someone calls time on what has gone before there is no driver for change so we tend to set out with a second best solution i.e. CFL vs LED lamps.
 
JackG said:
Very interesting article. I look forward to the ensuing reaction from our resident EV evangelists.
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I'd like to buy an EV but they are too expensive, the charging infrastructure is not there and the range reduces every time it is used. I want a car that lasts ten years without having to replace a major component at a cost of thousands of pounds.

Clearly there is a small market for rich people who want them as status symbols and tech bros who want them as boys toys but for the average motorist they are still not a thing to consider.
 
Something that really annoyed me the other day was seeing pork chops (I'm veggie, wife isn't ) in Tesco. Reared in Holland and slaughtered in Germany, then sold in Boro. WTF is that about? We do visit local farm shops to get meat but the prices are way out of our price range. There is a place near Ferryhill that rears and sells Bison way cheaper that local pork and beef. How is it cheaper to send meat all over Europe than it is to buy local? Mass production I presume. One reason I stopped eating the stuff.

Edit, not industry but local stuff.
 
Sergio said:
Why should you stop? I used to do a 4.5 hour drive to Norfolk quite regular and often done without a stop, roughly 230 miles. Even on my last long trip 300 miles its a quick toilet stop and back on the road if needs be
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You should stop as it is in the Highway Code and it is sensible advice.
 
Sergio said:
I am really not that interested. If I want to drive to London I want to do it without a stop, not a 45 minute recharge break. I also don't think all EVs cost 50k, of course they don't. The cheaper ones are like driving around in a tin can and have minimal range. My point was show me an EV and ICE car at ÂŁ50k each and I know which one most would choose. I am further away from an EV than ever before. There is also absolutely zero chance that ICE's will stop production in 2030 ZERO!
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You are going to have to be interested in the end I'm afraid. And you're wrong about the cheaper ones too. The are well built, sometimes more well built then you ÂŁ50grand ones (Tesla)

You'll be shocked in 2030 I reckon, shocked. You are dismissing the future of driving based on the fact you refuse to understand it. And it takes me 11 minutes to recharge on a trip from London to the North east
 
ThePrisoner said:
I'd like to buy an EV but they are too expensive, the charging infrastructure is not there and the range reduces every time it is used. I want a car that lasts ten years without having to replace a major component at a cost of thousands of pounds.

Clearly there is a small market for rich people who want them as status symbols and tech bros who want them as boys toys but for the average motorist they are still not a thing to consider.
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You have fallen for the battery life lie. Shame.
 
Sergio said:
Why should you stop? I used to do a 4.5 hour drive to Norfolk quite regular and often done without a stop, roughly 230 miles. Even on my last long trip 300 miles its a quick toilet stop and back on the road if needs be
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Of course you should stop it's dangerous not to.

But that's the thing with anti ev crowd isn't it. The obsess oflver range in a way they never did before. They thing its their "gotcha" moment when it really isn't if yiu have a look at the anti ev chat over the last 5 years you'll find that everyone average journey and capacity for storing has increased as EV have got better. They always present theoretical situations like the above which always get longer and longer to make sure they are above the range of whatever the average ev is. And plenty of ev have a real world range of over 230 miles now so I think you'll gave to update your length
 
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