Is Olusanya really more 'ready' than Payero?

viv_andersons_nana

viv_andersons_nana

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I thought it was fascinating that a lad straight out of the National League South was deemed ready to play in the Championship ahead of Martin Payero on Saturday. I didn't see the game so if anyone can share any information on his performance and what sort of position(s) he occupied I'd be really interested to read it.

I'm not criticising here, or saying that this is the case at all, but does anyone else have a slight inkling that Warnock doesn't really fancy Payero? Was he making a small point by selecting Olusanya ahead of him? That's how it feels to me in some ways but having not seen Olusanya play yet I don't know if he's relevant to Payero and the positions he takes up.
 
I think that Blackburn were trying to bully us around the pitch a little, as they usually do. Maybe Warnock thought that Olusanya would be more used to it than Payero?

Saying that, I thought the ref was for sure going to send Olusanya off when he reacted to being pulled back by lifting and throwing the Blackburn player to the ground.
 
Billy69_uk said:
I think that Blackburn were trying to bully us around the pitch a little, as they usually do. Maybe Warnock thought that Olusanya would be more used to it than Payero?

Saying that, I thought the ref was for sure going to send Olusanya off when he reacted to being pulled back by lifting and throwing the Blackburn player to the ground.
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Can't argue with that but only slight caveat is that when we signed Payero it was presented to us that he would be match fit and good to go as he'd played in the Olympics and had come from a very physical league in Argentina. I would've expected him to be capable of getting to grips with the physical contact side of things pretty quickly really.
 
Frozen Horse said:
I suppose "ready to play" means "up to the pace of the game", so I can believe a non-league player could be better prepared for that than a South American.

I'd say he played mostly in an inside-right position.
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Does his arrival negate the need to sign another winger do you think? As we have been linked with several more wide players over the past few days.
 
Is there anywhere I can see any extended highlights of the game? I was away so couldn't get to the game and would like to see this guys debut
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Does his arrival negate the need to sign another winger do you think? As we have been linked with several more wide players over the past few days.
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Not really. I think my opinion of him was really shaded by the match.
If we'd won I'd have said he did well; if we'd lost I'd have said he added nothing. We drew and I fell he did ok.
He didn't look a liability, as some NL players thrown into the championship might, but nor did he look likely to make a major impact.

I'm seeing him as low risk gamble at the moment. I'm not counting on him to do anything, but hoping that he will.
 
To be fair, Payero was thrown in just the same as Olusanya.

Started the cup match, came on in the 72nd minute against Bristol City, played 15 minutes against QPR.

Olusanya came on in the 66th minute to replace a half fit second striker filling in.

I'm not sure Olusanya would have even came on if Ikpeazu had been well and starting.
 
I think it's more about doing things that fraction of a second faster in the Championship than what Payero will be used to .. someone could have all the talent in the world but if they are dallying on the ball (by Championship standards) they're going to get caught out .. whereas Olusanya had been playing in English football and the hurly burly of non-league at that.
 
It's probably a combination of factors. Probably less "risk" playing an untried forward than a midfielder (forward only has to do a handful of good things to make an impact, a midfielder is involved more during a game).

Obviously language and culture issues, it's got to be easier being able to understand what your team mates and manager are yelling.

Plus, based on his comments I do think Warnock has an unconscious bias (or conscious even?) against overseas players as he believes they need time to settle. So that's probably at play a bit too.

Given his management style I'm pretty sure he'll hate not being able to communicate properly with the lad. More so than most other managers I'd think.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I thought it was fascinating that a lad straight out of the National League South was deemed ready to play in the Championship ahead of Martin Payero on Saturday. I didn't see the game so if anyone can share any information on his performance and what sort of position(s) he occupied I'd be really interested to read it.

I'm not criticising here, or saying that this is the case at all, but does anyone else have a slight inkling that Warnock doesn't really fancy Payero? Was he making a small point by selecting Olusanya ahead of him? That's how it feels to me in some ways but having not seen Olusanya play yet I don't know if he's relevant to Payero and the positions he takes up.
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Not sure why, but I thought he had a bright start to his Boro career. A great tackle in midfield and starting an attack, pulled back as it looks like he was bearing on goal with a three on two and inches away from a rebound a few feet from goal. Quick and mobile.
 
It’s the speed of the game, it won’t be all that much different in the lower leagues, it’s still frantic, South America is a lot slower even if it is physical.

I don’t have a problem with it, Payero has looked like a rabbit in the headlights in his few appearances. Again this isn’t me writing him off but he obviously needs time and I’m sure if we had been a couple of goals up in games then he would be brought on.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Can't argue with that but only slight caveat is that when we signed Payero it was presented to us that he would be match fit and good to go as he'd played in the Olympics and had come from a very physical league in Argentina. I would've expected him to be capable of getting to grips with the physical contact side of things pretty quickly really.
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Payero plays predominantly down the middle so losing the ball in that area versus losing it wide is totally different and we’d be very exposed if we frequently lost the ball centrally therefore I’m sure that’s Warnocks logic there
 
Sorry I don't accept this, "he's not ready for the demands of our league" rubbish. He has just represented his country so must be match fit.
If it's that difficult for Argentinian internationals to play against the teams in the championship how on earth do they manage to play against the England national team?
I know it is far too early to be making judgements on Payero but it is concerning that a non league player is ahead of him in the pecking order.
 
Markmywords said:
Sorry I don't accept this, "he's not ready for the demands of our league" rubbish. He has just represented his country so must be match fit.
If it's that difficult for Argentinian internationals to play against the teams in the championship how on earth do they manage to play against the England national team?
I know it is far too early to be making judgements on Payero but it is concerning that a non league player is ahead of him in the pecking order.
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Because international football is different to Championship football.
 
Markmywords said:
Sorry I don't accept this, "he's not ready for the demands of our league" rubbish. He has just represented his country so must be match fit.
If it's that difficult for Argentinian internationals to play against the teams in the championship how on earth do they manage to play against the England national team?
I know it is far too early to be making judgements on Payero but it is concerning that a non league player is ahead of him in the pecking order.
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He played for the Argentinian U23s against other U23s.
The Argentina U23s finished 3rd in their group and were knocked out too, so it's not like they excelled.
 
Communication is probably the main factor with Payero. He doesn't speak any English. That has to make it tough to get a message across and to follow the on field yelling.
 
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