Jay Spearing and Tom Huddlestone

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Both now play in and coach Liverpool and Man Utds under 23 teams. At first when this happened they were kind of ridiculed, but now it's a format that seems to make sense, an old head on and off the pitch. Is this something we can incorporate, Leadbitter for example?
 
We definitely should incorporate it - Leadbitter would be too old though - and Howson too expensive. Adam Clayton would work... He's 35 and still playing down the leagues.
 
We've already done it. Bryan Robson and Viv Anderson, plus no doubt others, turned out for the reserves, which is what the U23s have replaced.
 
The point isn't just to have an old person playing with kids. Those players are coaches and by playing they can be closer to give immediate coaching advice/instructions. We should just employ the best coaches. The method of getting instructions to players is the thing that is different about this role. They don't even have to be midfielders.

The way our first team have been playing at times this season maybe we should have had Carrick out there doing this role in the 1st team.

To be honest it seems like a bit of a gimmick. I can't see how it can be more beneficial to get that info to players by physically being closer than having an 11th player out there getting minutes to develop.
 
The point isn't just to have an old person playing with kids. Those players are coaches and by playing they can be closer to give immediate coaching advice/instructions. We should just employ the best coaches. The method of getting instructions to players is the thing that is different about this role. They don't even have to be midfielders.

The way our first team have been playing at times this season maybe we should have had Carrick out there doing this role in the 1st team.

To be honest it seems like a bit of a gimmick. I can't see how it can be more beneficial to get that info to players by physically being closer than having an 11th player out there getting minutes to develop.
If it was a gimmick, don't you think they'd have bigger names than Jay Spearing and Tom Huddlestone?
 
When you're playing on a pitch and have an old, experienced head in the team coaching and directing I have found it to be game changing.

I've played with people in the past that have played at way higher levels than myself that have barely touched the ball but controlled the game through directing the play on the pitch. A good captain will do it and be in the thick of it in a way I dont think a coach can. I can switch off to the sideline, I can't switch off if a team mate is in my ear directing my positioning/ marking/ individual plays.
 
I must have read through this thread half a dozen times, scratching my head and totally confused, before I realised it wasn't actually about actors Hugo Spearing and Tom Hiddleston.
 
When you're playing on a pitch and have an old, experienced head in the team coaching and directing I have found it to be game changing.

I've played with people in the past that have played at way higher levels than myself that have barely touched the ball but controlled the game through directing the play on the pitch. A good captain will do it and be in the thick of it in a way I dont think a coach can. I can switch off to the sideline, I can't switch off if a team mate is in my ear directing my positioning/ marking/ individual plays.
It made a huge difference to me, in both football and rugby. It's the odd word of encouragement and praise, uncritical advice on positioning, when to stay back or go forward, that really helps the inexperienced youngster. I much preferred it to being yelled at by a 'manager'.
 
If it was a gimmick, don't you think they'd have bigger names than Jay Spearing and Tom Huddlestone?
No. They are coaches. I don't know what level of coaching pedigree they have but I assume it is appropriate for their level. They would either be coaching from the sidelines or on the pitch. You aren't going to attract world class players to play U21 football. Maybe gimmick was the wrong word. Really I meant that it probably won't increase players development and it will be abandoned as an idea before too long. Coaches are already doing this during training when they are walking around the pitch during games giving instructions. How can a coach concentrate on watching a full game from all angles and giving appropriate advice to all players if they have to spend the majority of the match focusing on what they are doing? All they can really coach is what players should be doing from their perspective.
When you're playing on a pitch and have an old, experienced head in the team coaching and directing I have found it to be game changing.

I've played with people in the past that have played at way higher levels than myself that have barely touched the ball but controlled the game through directing the play on the pitch. A good captain will do it and be in the thick of it in a way I dont think a coach can. I can switch off to the sideline, I can't switch off if a team mate is in my ear directing my positioning/ marking/ individual plays.
There is a difference though between coaching an individual match that you want to win and coaching players so that they develop (which is the primary purpose of the academy/youth teams). Also a huge difference between a professional coach in a development squad and a low level manager that just cares about winning.
 
Idea behind it, especially with Spearing at Liverpool and Olly Lancashire at Southampton is that they're examples of players who went through that youth setup 15-20 years ago and experienced varying levels of success as a result of that. They're now coming higher up the pyramid to bestow that experience on young talent on the same journey they were on once. Only have to look at Liverpool's Carabao Cup win on Sunday and the young talent Man United have brought through this season and last for some proof that having that experience helps young players and acts almost as a transition to top level football.

For me, Boro would be well placed with someone like Joe Bennett or Charlie Wyke, should they become available.
 
There is a difference though between coaching an individual match that you want to win and coaching players so that they develop (which is the primary purpose of the academy/youth teams). Also a huge difference between a professional coach in a development squad and a low level manager that just cares about winning.
Playing with better players or more knowledgeable players can make both a team work better as well as individuals improve. Someone coaching and playing with the overall club strategy/ playing style in mind could really help mould and guide players in real time rather than post match analysis. You can see when something isn't working or someone isn't working.

I certainly think there is value in it. The positional knowledge and experience an old head shares with a younger team can really benefit them all.

I often wondered if you could get an experienced player to play and direct Traore in the way Pulis tried from the touchline whether he would respond.
 
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