thewanderer
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We do this quite easily many other benefits why not this one?In what way are state pensions means tested?
We do this quite easily many other benefits why not this one?In what way are state pensions means tested?
Nobody is suggesting that the state pension shouldn't be index linked, it's a legal requirement on the government that it is. However presently that index linking is worked out from the increase in average earnings OR the CPI OR 2.5% which ever if the highest. Personally I think a double lock with average earnings OR CPI would be fairer.Not sure what you mean by pulling the ladder up after themselves with the triple lock? If we don’t increase the pension by this each year the pension will be smaller for each year it is not implemented. ( this is why the doctors are asking for 35% pay increase to take their pay back to where it should be in part.) therefor people who are 20 plus years of state pension age will receive a state pension much worse.
It’s a separate debate for the mean’s testing as I believe this should be implemented but would need to look at the long term impact on this as potentially someone could work to 55, blow their private pension by 67 and still be eligible for the state pension so might not give the desired effect.
Why test people on something they've paid for?We do this quite easily many other benefits why not this one?
Short term measures at any cost to stay in power without doing what they should be doing, running the country for the benefit of most, not a few.the tories have destroyed everything in this country,their lies knows no bounds,sooner they are out the better
Why shouldn't pensioners get a decent pension,if you have paid your national insurance you deserve it,one day we all will need a pension,the problem with society today is that people are jealous if someone is getting something there are not.He has pledged the Conservatives to this if they win a General Election on Kuenssberg programme this morning.
So I imagine that pensioners will be looking for Labour to follow suit.
I was addressing the statement and follow-up question:Income is assessed for tax purposes, including pension. That is not means testing. Means testing is assessing if you are entitled to a pension payment in the first place, not taxing it.
How would it? We already do this every year."Would cost a fortune to means test millions of people and then do it again every year.
How many people are required to fill in self assessment forms? I'm genuinely curious. I know I've had to do one since I've been a company director but I'm not certain what other circumstances there are that make it a requirement.Depends on the 'means' we're testing. We do it for income, up to a point, via HMRC. We also do wealth assessments for social care but that would be very expensive to carry out on a broader scale.
Really?We have a fair chunk of the population who actually support the shift to babarismm.
Why test people on something they've paid for?
I'm not means tested for my personal pension, which I've paid for, why should I be means tested for my state pension, which I've paid for?
Just look at the WASPI nonsense.I wouldn't dare gamble with that demographic, far too many of the ones I know are terrifyingly selfish. Very much pull the ladder up after themselves.
Why would it be applied retrospectively?When this has been raised in the past one of the problems has been that literally millions of people have made NI contributions over decades on the clear indication from UK governments that this results in a non means tested pension.
There is no way that means testing can be applied retrospectively, without a legal challenge - which the government would lose.
Of course the gov could choose to wind down this commitment for the future. If the Tories want to reduce their current 7% standing with under 35s to zero, that is.
Why would it be applied retrospectively?
How does he presume they’re going to pay for that, I mean if the pension is tied to inflation it’s gonna be a Massive increaseHe has pledged the Conservatives to this if they win a General Election on Kuenssberg programme this morning.
So I imagine that pensioners will be looking for Labour to follow suit.
They are not selfish, it's not a benefit, if you've paid in over many years it's an entitlement. If governments take it away from you, it's up to you to fight back not moan about.The selfish pensioner vote maybe not the complete pensioner vote.
NOT A BENEFITWe do this quite easily many other benefits why not this one?
It's not a benefit but you wouldn't think so reading and listening to much of the media. Their propaganda is picked up and regurgitated, despite it not being true.NOT A BENEFIT
In fact, depending on how any means test was considered, it would surely be a discincentive to save into a personal pension because doing so would give you more means and reduce your state pension.Why test people on something they've paid for?
I'm not means tested for my personal pension, which I've paid for, why should I be means tested for my state pension, which I've paid for?