GibbosEmpire
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Starmer is so out of touch with Labour voters right now, I can't believe a HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER voted no to a F***ing cease fire.
Keir Starmer
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coluka
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I think you are ignoring the fact I am saying the Palestinian people are not to blame for the way Hamas have ridden roughshod over their lives and use them as Human Shields. How should Israel respond to the killing of their people?.
(What they are doing is not acceptable in the civilised world, i assume we can agree on that, but sitting back and going meh is not sufficient either as the problem aint going away if they did). Stop start skirmishing keeps allowing Iran to weaponise Hamas and people keep dying still, 1 death to any civilian is too many. There is a lot of Israeli hate around the UK, do you think the British jews deserve the aggro, while the minority Hamas supporting UK residents are ok to display paratroopers on bags and the PM as a coconut etc?
As much as I detest Sunak, racism is racism. I’m done anyway, tarra.
Scrote
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But you keep giving the impression that Israel somehow have a moral high-ground because Hamas came out of nowhere with an act of terrorism that no-one could have ever seen coming.
The whole situation is awful but the West are doing nothing to make it any better. We've allowed a resurgent right-wing to get their own way across the political arena and the vast majority are too scared or too apathetic to do anything about it.
HolgateCorner
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I think it’s a combination of either too scared (in the political arena to be accused of being anti semitic/anti USA) or a lot of the public not really understanding how the problem has arisen.
Acklam_Lad
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He is completely spineless.... he has been shown up for the beige tw a t that he is tonight.
BlindBoyGrunt
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And that's one of the reasons why he didn't.
InglebyUTB
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I’d hardly call the likes of Jess Phillips “left wing”.
Starmer had brought this on himself with his comments on Nick Ferrari’s show, that Israel had the right to mass punish the population with a siege.
It just further demonstrates Labour’s lead is absolutely nothing to do with him, and everything to do with a Tory implosion.
thewanderer
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Looking forward to tomorrow's vote against bad weather at the weekend.
BlindBoyGrunt
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You can't take a moral stance against the weather.
thewanderer
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Pure vanity. It literally does not matter.
r00fie1
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Never in my lifetime could I have ever imagined.........the leaders of both main British political parties vote for war and the continued genocide of innocent civilians. This isnt a moral issue - this is about wiping the Palestinians off the map so the Americans can exploit the oil and gas reserves under that land and in the Meditteranean sea. Starmer is as guilty of war crimes as Blair. Innocent civilians, mostly children, bombed from the sea, the air and on land, the cowards who feed Israel Arms and support war crimes, wont be forgotten, and whats left of the Palestinians wont be moving anywhere.
I fear for ordinary people in the UK. This war-mongering establishments decisions wont just lead to attacks on Mosques and Synagogues, name calling on stations and attacks on escalators on the tube. Support for war has given the already empowered far right, a passport to violence and agitation - not just over Palestine, but the issue of the "boat people", Rwanda, increased demonisation of ethnic minorities and vigilantism of all kinds - designed to threaten and intimidate. The Trades Union Movement needs to get off its arz, disaffiliate from the Labour Party, support the PSC and join with pro-palestinian Jewish and anti-war groups to say NO! NO! NO! to barbarism, torture, occupation and murder in Gaza and the West Bank. That includes Christians, Orthodox Jews, Muslims, Drews and other religious faiths who are attacked and bullied daily by the Israeli state. Its unbelievable.
I fear for ordinary people in the UK. This war-mongering establishments decisions wont just lead to attacks on Mosques and Synagogues, name calling on stations and attacks on escalators on the tube. Support for war has given the already empowered far right, a passport to violence and agitation - not just over Palestine, but the issue of the "boat people", Rwanda, increased demonisation of ethnic minorities and vigilantism of all kinds - designed to threaten and intimidate. The Trades Union Movement needs to get off its arz, disaffiliate from the Labour Party, support the PSC and join with pro-palestinian Jewish and anti-war groups to say NO! NO! NO! to barbarism, torture, occupation and murder in Gaza and the West Bank. That includes Christians, Orthodox Jews, Muslims, Drews and other religious faiths who are attacked and bullied daily by the Israeli state. Its unbelievable.
Jess is a million miles away from being left wing. She's probably just doing a Braverman here to try and set herself up for another failed attempt at becoming leader of the party. She was quite happy to undermine Corbyn when it suited her ambitions and this could well be the same thing. She's just as evil and untrustworthy as Starmer. I don't believe for a second that she voted with her conscience on this. She's an opportunist who only cares about what's best for her. Jess only does things for Jess. She did the right thing this evening but she almost certaintly did it for the wrong reasons.
thewanderer
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Mental.
I wouldn't have gone that far but I do sort of agree with you up to a point. Col has been doing his best to divert this thread away from Starmer and turn it it into a thread that is purely about the conflict itself. He's in a huff now because it didn't work.
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coluka
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No i am not supporting either. They are both out of order. I am defending ordinary Israelis and British Jews and British and Gaza decent innocent Palestinians. I am concerned we will have blood on our streets too now as the narrative seems skewed. This site condems Israel in the main people are not distinguishing between Netanyahu and innocent Israelis, they need to respect them too, especially as JC sat on the fence and nobody is thinking of the innocent jews, just the innocent Palestinians. People should support both and demand Hamas are eradicated and Netanyahu and his henchman are tried on known evidence. We all want peace, a pause is a move toward a ceasefire, if a pause is respected then a ceasefire has a better chance thereafter.
GibbosEmpire
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56 Labour MPs who had balls and voted for ceasefire.
- Tahir Ali (Birmingham, Hall Green)
- Rosena Allin-Khan (Tooting)
- Paula Barker (Liverpool, Wavertree)
- Apsana Begum (Poplar and Limehouse)
- Clive Betts (Sheffield South East)
- Paul Blomfield (Sheffield Central)
- Karen Buck (Westminster North)
- Richard Burgon (Leeds East)
- Dawn Butler (Brent Central)
- Ian Byrne (Liverpool, West Derby)
- Liam Byrne (Birmingham, Hodge Hill)
- Dan Carden (Liverpool, Walton)
- Sarah Champion (Rotherham)
- Stella Creasy (Walthamstow)
- Jon Cruddas (Dagenham and Rainham)
- Judith Cummins (Bradford South)
- Marsha De Cordova (Battersea)
- Peter Dowd (Bootle)
- Julie Elliott (Sunderland Central)
- Mary Kelly Foy (City of Durham)
- Barry Gardiner (Brent North)
- Margaret Greenwood (Wirral West)
- Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East)
- Kate Hollern (Blackburn)
- Rachel Hopkins (Luton South)
- Rupa Huq (Ealing Central and Acton)
- Imran Hussain (Bradford East)
- Afzal Khan (Manchester, Gorton)
- Ian Lavery (Wansbeck)
- Emma Lewell-Buck (South Shields)
- Clive Lewis (Norwich South)
- Rebecca Long Bailey (Salford and Eccles)
- Khalid Mahmood (Birmingham, Perry Barr)
- Rachael Maskell (York Central)
- John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington)
- Ian Mearns (Gateshead)
- Grahame Morris (Easington)
- Kate Osamor (Edmonton)
- Kate Osborne (Jarrow)
- Sarah Owen (Luton North)
- Jess Phillips (Birmingham, Yardley)
- Yasmin Qureshi (Bolton South East)
- Bell Ribeiro-Addy (Streatham)
- Lloyd Russell-Moyle (Brighton, Kemptown)
- Naz Shah (Bradford West)
- Andy Slaughter (Hammersmith)
- Cat Smith (Lancaster and Fleetwood)
- Alex Sobel (Leeds North West)
- Zarah Sultana (Coventry South)
- Sam Tarry (Ilford South)
- Stephen Timms (East Ham)
- Jon Trickett (Hemsworth)
- Valerie Vaz (Walsall South)
- Nadia Whittome (Nottingham East)
- Beth Winter (Cynon Valley)
- Mohammad Yasin (Bedford
I'm planning on marrying Zarah Sultana some day. I'm pretty sure that she doesn't have any balls though. I bloody hope that she doesn't anyway. That would make for a very awkward wedding night.
changingman
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Worth pointing out that EVERY SINGLE conservative MP voted against the amendment?
I don't agree with Starmers actions at all, but the list above demonstrates at least one of the main parties has some compassionate MPs within the ranks.
I don't agree with Starmers actions at all, but the list above demonstrates at least one of the main parties has some compassionate MPs within the ranks.