Kobbie Mainoo

Diego said:
It is but I think it’s safe to say Kane and Watkins will be the ones who get the minutes. I like Toney and if Watkins gets injured then yep take him to the Euros.

But I’d rather use the place on a problem position ( Declan rice midfield partner) I have been very impressed with Mainoo and for me we should have found a place for him in these games at least. He has the potential to be the long term solution.

Third choice striker ( Toney) is a bit like third choice goalkeeper in international football where you barely get a sniff
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Boro are a good example of why a 3rd choice striker is a necessity. An injury to either of your first 2 and then you are playing someone out of position at some point. Strikers almost always get subbed on, especially if losing so you have to have 2 as a minimum. Might not be so crucial for daft friendlies but definitely is for a tournament.

parmoboy said:
Equally though he could start with Henderson and Rice as the two sitters. Personally I'd really like to see Stones and Rice as the two sitters. He could use these friendies to try it out.
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Stones is our best defender and it's a position where we are weak (other than him). It's fine for City to have him playing anywhere they want because they have loads of other good players but England don't have that luxury.
 
Nano said:
Boro are a good example of why a 3rd choice striker is a necessity. An injury to either of your first 2 and then you are playing someone out of position at some point. Strikers almost always get subbed on, especially if losing so you have to have 2 as a minimum. Might not be so crucial for daft friendlies but definitely is for a tournament.


Stones is our best defender and it's a position where we are weak (other than him). It's fine for City to have him playing anywhere they want because they have loads of other good players but England don't have that luxury.
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Maguire and Konsa would be my CB pairing.
 
Diego said:
It is but I think it’s safe to say Kane and Watkins will be the ones who get the minutes. I like Toney and if Watkins gets injured then yep take him to the Euros.

But I’d rather use the place on a problem position ( Declan rice midfield partner) I have been very impressed with Mainoo and for me we should have found a place for him in these games at least. He has the potential to be the long term solution.

Third choice striker ( Toney) is a bit like third choice goalkeeper in international football where you barely get a sniff
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You can't not take 3 strikers, look at us this season, one injury and you have no sub option.

Too many 3 behind the striker options in this squad, I know its for experimenting but come the finals, too many:

5x LW: Foden, Gordon, Rashford, Maddison, Watkins
6x 10: Bellingham, Gordon, Gallagher, Palmer, Foden, Maddison
5x RW: Bowen, Foden, Gordon, Saka, Palmer

I'd certainly drop one of those fringe opions for the euros, for a holding midfield option and keep three CFs
 
Nano said:
Stones is our best defender and it's a position where we are weak (other than him). It's fine for City to have him playing anywhere they want because they have loads of other good players but England don't have that luxury.
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Totally agree, he's our best CB by miles, without him we would be FUBARed in defence. We really need to find another CB option, maybe Branthwaite will step forward.
 
BoroMart said:
You can't not take 3 strikers, look at us this season, one injury and you have no sub option.

Too many 3 behind the striker options in this squad, I know its for experimenting but come the finals, too many:

5x LW: Foden, Gordon, Rashford, Maddison, Watkins
6x 10: Bellingham, Gordon, Gallagher, Palmer, Foden, Maddison
5x RW: Bowen, Foden, Gordon, Saka, Palmer

I'd certainly drop one of those fringe opions for the euros, for a holding midfield option and keep three CFs
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Difference is we've only had two players who can actually play as a striker (aside from Forss but Carrick wouldn't play him up front). If anything were to happen to Kane and Watkins you'd have the option of playing Rashford or Bowen up front, or you could even use Palmer or Foden as a false 9 if it got really desperate.

This would be my squad:

GKs - Pickford, Pope, Ramsdale

Defenders - Walker, TAA, Maguire, Stones, Konsa, Dunk, Trippier, Shaw (Chilwell if Shaw not fit)

Midfielders - Rice, Henderson, Mainoo

Attacking midfielders - Saka, Palmer, Bowen, Bellingham, Maddison, Rashford, Foden

Strikers - Kane, Watkins
 
parmoboy said:
Difference is we've only had two players who can actually play as a striker (aside from Forss but Carrick wouldn't play him up front). If anything were to happen to Kane and Watkins you'd have the option of playing Rashford or Bowen up front, or you could even use Palmer or Foden as a false 9 if it got really desperate.

This would be my squad:

GKs - Pickford, Pope, Ramsdale

Defenders - Walker, TAA, Maguire, Stones, Konsa, Dunk, Trippier, Shaw (Chilwell if Shaw not fit)

Midfielders - Rice, Henderson, Mainoo

Attacking midfielders - Saka, Palmer, Bowen, Bellingham, Maddison, Rashford, Foden

Strikers - Kane, Watkins
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I’m with you all day on this one
 
parmoboy said:
Difference is we've only had two players who can actually play as a striker (aside from Forss but Carrick wouldn't play him up front). If anything were to happen to Kane and Watkins you'd have the option of playing Rashford or Bowen up front, or you could even use Palmer or Foden as a false 9 if it got really desperate.

This would be my squad:

GKs - Pickford, Pope, Ramsdale

Defenders - Walker, TAA, Maguire, Stones, Konsa, Dunk, Trippier, Shaw (Chilwell if Shaw not fit)

Midfielders - Rice, Henderson, Mainoo

Attacking midfielders - Saka, Palmer, Bowen, Bellingham, Maddison, Rashford, Foden

Strikers - Kane, Watkins
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I don’t think a part time striker at a major international competition is a great idea
 
BoroMart said:
I don’t think a part time striker at a major international competition is a great idea
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I feel versatility is important, especially when you take into account the squad size is having to be reduced from 26 to 23 for this tournament.

If Saka and Palmer get injured, and you've taken another striker and left Bowen out for example, you're suddenly looking short regarding options for the right wing position.

Even if both Kane and Watkins got injured, we'd still have lots of decent options for the striker role.
 
parmoboy said:
Difference is we've only had two players who can actually play as a striker (aside from Forss but Carrick wouldn't play him up front). If anything were to happen to Kane and Watkins you'd have the option of playing Rashford or Bowen up front, or you could even use Palmer or Foden as a false 9 if it got really desperate.
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That isn't the difference. It's exactly the same situation. We could play Greenwood, Silvera, Crooks or Rogers.

If anything it should be the other way around. Make sure you have enough of the players in a specialist position and use all those other players to cover the 3 behind. There are about 10 players that play in those 3. You don't need 3 for each of those more similar positions.
 
I'd have chose:
Butland over Ramsdale
Solanke over Toney
Barkley over Gallagher
None of the above will start, but they're playing more and arguably playing better than those who have been picked and selecting them would almost be risk-free as you aren't impacting your starting XI but you're putting it out there that a) You have to be playing first team football and b) You play well - consistently - then you'll be selected.

Mainoo has done very well, and there's a case for him over Henderson maybe but he's left the middle east and is now playing every week for Ajax in a top league, and his experience and off the field impact goes in his favour so im not against Henderson being involved.
 
parmoboy said:
I feel versatility is important, especially when you take into account the squad size is having to be reduced from 26 to 23 for this tournament.

If Saka and Palmer get injured, and you've taken another striker and left Bowen out for example, you're suddenly looking short regarding options for the right wing position.

Even if both Kane and Watkins got injured, we'd still have lots of decent options for the striker role.
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If 1 of Stones/Bellingham/Kane get injured, the squad looks remarkably weaker.

Same as with most club teams, take VVD out of Liverpool, take Rodri out of City, Odegaard from Arsenal... we just have to take as balanced a squad as possible with players who can play multiple formations and positions. Ideal having Stones ability to play CM if someone there gets injured, or having TAA who can play RB or CM etc, but it comes down to praying the spine of the team stay fit. If they do, i think we'll bring it home.
 
VestasBoro said:
If 1 of Stones/Bellingham/Kane get injured, the squad looks remarkably weaker.

Same as with most club teams, take VVD out of Liverpool, take Rodri out of City, Odegaard from Arsenal... we just have to take as balanced a squad as possible with players who can play multiple formations and positions. Ideal having Stones ability to play CM if someone there gets injured, or having TAA who can play RB or CM etc, but it comes down to praying the spine of the team stay fit. If they do, i think we'll bring it home.
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Agreed those saying we must win with this squad are forgetting we still need a bit of luck as we are highly dependent on the availability of a handful of key, irreplaceable players. It would be a massive task for England without Bellingham and Kane to go to Germany and beat them in a semi for example. France and Spain would be even harder.
 
breakthewallsdown said:
I agreed up until this.. Gallagher hasn't put a foot wrong for Chelsea
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I'd say they were both very similar in terms of their performance this year. One statistic website has Barkley average rating 7.15 and Gallagher 6.98, neither will start but i think Barkleys ability would offer more off the bench than Gallaghers would.

Similar thinking has be happy Gordon made this squad, he won't start but off the bench he'd be a right handful.

I don't think the squad should have anyone who you look at and think he's a squad filler and would be very surprised to see them play a single minute at a major tournament - Obviously its a large squad and can't play everyone, but like to think its full of players who can actually make an impact either offensively or defensively.
 
VestasBoro said:
I'd say they were both very similar in terms of their performance this year. One statistic website has Barkley average rating 7.15 and Gallagher 6.98, neither will start but i think Barkleys ability would offer more off the bench than Gallaghers would.

Similar thinking has be happy Gordon made this squad, he won't start but off the bench he'd be a right handful.

I don't think the squad should have anyone who you look at and think he's a squad filler and would be very surprised to see them play a single minute at a major tournament - Obviously its a large squad and can't play everyone, but like to think its full of players who can actually make an impact either offensively or defensively.
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Im with you on Gallagher, Gallagher has been okay but him playing so often is a major reason Cheslea are mid table for me. Hes a mid table player not european or premier league challenging player. A 6.5 out of 10 player most weeks, Hes scored a few recently which has improved his stats alot but when ever he plays against a good team domestically or internationally he generally looks out of his depth to me.
 
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