TeessideCleveland
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Down to 2 per cent today (37-35), though none of the drop in Tory support has gone to Labour
Down to 2 per cent today (37-35), though none of the drop in Tory support has gone to Labour
I think quite a few may return to the ranks of non-voters, from whence they sprang.It will have, the majority of the support the Tories lose, goes into the ground occupied by labour/SNP/ LD, and labour lose to the likes of the greens etc, which is fine (as they will never vote Tory).
Not many will be switching from this version of tory to the greens, but even if they do, I'll take that also.
I'm hoping they're two separate groups. Brexiters who think 'job done' and stop voting versus habitual non-voters who are propelled to the voting booths by this government's egregious incompetence and malevolence.Jack I am not sure many will now not vote. You are right brexit galvanised people to vote. I think the way brexit has been implemented might equally galvanise people to vote.
Those who are satisfied with brexit, and there are a few, will just not bother voting, if they don't generally.I'm hoping they're two separate groups. Brexiters who think 'job done' and stop voting versus habitual non-voters who are propelled to the voting booths by this government's egregious incompetence and malevolence.
I am not sure I agree with that either. The tories, in recent years have scraped by in elections until 2019. And that is with a cabinet that were much more capable than the current lot.The problem labour have is tens of thousands of voters in key seats will forgive this government anything because 1. They got brexit done and
2, Labour blocked the will of the people .
The tories with the help of the billionaire owned MSM have convinced them privileged super rich old etonians represent them and relate to their woes.
I don't think so much blind, as mislead, apathetic or bothI am not sure I agree with that either. The tories, in recent years have scraped by in elections until 2019. And that is with a cabinet that were much more capable than the current lot.
I will be genuinely surprised if the tories get another go. For that to happen they're has to be a turn around of huge proportions. The fact that that will happen probably means the electorate aren't as stupid or blind as some think.
They're is a fair bit of everything in the mix. Apathy probably accounts for a lot.I don't think so much blind, as mislead, apathetic or both
The Torygraph have run with the highest tax burden since the early 90s and haven’t followed the Express ridiculous take on it.The Tory press are a nightmare for any progressive party that wants to get into power.
The Daily Express today is running with a headline that says that Rishi is on a mission to cut taxes, despite him having raised taxes.
The Daily Mail are very balanced in that the are running with a headline that says 'The drinks are on us' with accompanying photos of the Chancellor and PM at a brewery. They do however point out in the lines below that taxes are higher than any point since the 1950s.
Except the Express it seems.Higher taxes will generally turn the tory press of the government, for obvious reasons.
Yup, hence the strategically placed "generally". To be honest I would have expected that from the mail, not the express. Everyday is a school day.Except the Express it seems.
I'm not sure about that. Corbyn lost a couple of million of his own voters between 2017 and 2019 and the Tories only gained another circa 300k voters across the country.All Starmer has to do is appear as an alternative that the Tories are not scared of. One of the problems Corbyn had was he terrified people and they mobilised against him.
I'm not sure about that. Corbyn lost a couple of million of his own voters between 2017 and 2019 and the Tories only gained another circa 300k voters across the country.
I don't think that would constitute any sort of Tory mobilisation.
The next election is likely to be about who doesn't vote as much as who does.
Exactly this. Just not be Corbyn or Johnson. I would like to see an electoral pact with a promise of electoral reform but I can live without it IF we get this crooked bunch out.All Starmer has to do...
If he is smart, he has a very progressive agenda once in government, but he couches this in sufficiently vague terms until then and in the manifesto.