LUTON PRIORITY POINTS

Malaguena said:
Because it's not open to everyone ...... just the "elite" who put in the "hard yards" ..... FFS - what if I'm in a position to do that now when I wasn't back in the day ... or more appropriately, my lad who would now like to do it but was too young then

Your attitude is exactly why Gold Card / Chairman's Drink / Away Season Ticket needs changing
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Don’t you live in Spain anyway?
 
I can understand where some posters are coming from and rob’s post may not have been the best in terms of wording - but some of the replies are unnessesary.

Amazing how quickly people forget about the gripes with the ticket system before we had priority points. Unless you don’t believe it’s more fair to reward people who attend more games, I’m yet to see anyone come up with a better suggestion.

As for the gold season ticket holders and chairman’s drinks - again I haven’t seen a good argument that there shouldn’t be additional reward for long standing loyalty. Being a ST holder since the start of the riverside, and remaining through the worst of times since then seem like the most logical points to give those rewards. Perhaps there might be a case in the future to have a rolling timeframe rather than fixed - however that will cost the club and where should that money come from? Another increase on everyone’s ticket price?

As for the away ST’s - it’s so few people that it’s largely an irrelevance for most others. Again, if the people who took it up whenever it started have continued to renew and fork out upfront every season since, I don’t see the problem. It’s not available as an option for newbies as it didn’t work.
 
Sexpom said:
People kick off about the away ST but if it was available would any of you actually buy one?
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That’s irrelevant, people are talking about a system being fair. It doesn’t matter how many people would or wouldn’t buy it, it’s about all fans having the same opportunity

When was the gold card introduced? If it was after 15 years then everyone who reaches 15 years should become a gold card holder
 
My issue with Rob's post was his decision to not allow people to choose what to do with their own points for this particular game. Have a policy or don't. To then follow it up with a tone death, well it's fine for me and the other loyal folk because of personality, job or circumstance was poor as well.
Air Resistance said:
I can understand where some posters are coming from and rob’s post may not have been the best in terms of wording - but some of the replies are unnessesary.

Amazing how quickly people forget about the gripes with the ticket system before we had priority points. Unless you don’t believe it’s more fair to reward people who attend more games, I’m yet to see anyone come up with a better suggestion.

As for the gold season ticket holders and chairman’s drinks - again I haven’t seen a good argument that there shouldn’t be additional reward for long standing loyalty. Being a ST holder since the start of the riverside, and remaining through the worst of times since then seem like the most logical points to give those rewards. Perhaps there might be a case in the future to have a rolling timeframe rather than fixed - however that will cost the club and where should that money come from? Another increase on everyone’s ticket price?

As for the away ST’s - it’s so few people that it’s largely an irrelevance for most others. Again, if the people who took it up whenever it started have continued to renew and fork out upfront every season since, I don’t see the problem. It’s not available as an option for newbies as it didn’t work.
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ForssAwakens said:
Also I agree that there’s a smack of arrogance around the post, accusing others you only rewards it you put the hard miles in

Quite elitist like you say, and traditional conservative view. Same with using your ticket for family and friends it would fall under cronyism
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Again I can see your point but I think it's a bit of a stretch to call occasionally giving your ticket when you can't make it to someone as cronyism. I would agree if it was a managed practice but the vast majority of the time it's when you can't make it yourself. Is helping a stranger off a message board cronyism?

I think the system will create circumstances where people who are still fans but don't get access to bigger games will look for opportunities and often those who could get a ticket but don't will look to help people out.

If they were profiteering from it then I would agree it's a terrible practise.
 
This has turned quite contentious which is a surprise.

Nowt wrong with a loyalty scheme, nowt wrong with someone spending that loyalty how they see fit.
 
ForssAwakens said:
When was the gold card introduced? If it was after 15 years then everyone who reaches 15 years should become a gold card holder
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There might be a gap in my memory but didn’t it just replace the red book? In which case, effectively, since 1995.

The red book as I recall came with an absolute priority over tickets not just a handful of extra points that could be overhauled by match attendance so the points system has lessened that advantage. Some are outraged there’s still an advantage at all, others at the time at least would have been cross that it was diminished. You can’t please everyone.

Personally, I’m good with long service and hard yards advantages but only if they’re in principle open to anyone who is currently accumulating long service or putting in the hard yards, not if the door has been yet again closed in their faces by the “I’m alright Jack” middle aged.
 
Air Resistance said:
I can understand where some posters are coming from and rob’s post may not have been the best in terms of wording - but some of the replies are unnessesary.

Amazing how quickly people forget about the gripes with the ticket system before we had priority points. Unless you don’t believe it’s more fair to reward people who attend more games, I’m yet to see anyone come up with a better suggestion.

As for the gold season ticket holders and chairman’s drinks - again I haven’t seen a good argument that there shouldn’t be additional reward for long standing loyalty. Being a ST holder since the start of the riverside, and remaining through the worst of times since then seem like the most logical points to give those rewards. Perhaps there might be a case in the future to have a rolling timeframe rather than fixed - however that will cost the club and where should that money come from? Another increase on everyone’s ticket price?

As for the away ST’s - it’s so few people that it’s largely an irrelevance for most others. Again, if the people who took it up whenever it started have continued to renew and fork out upfront every season since, I don’t see the problem. It’s not available as an option for newbies as it didn’t work.
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We don't need a specific priority points system. A season ticket based system is sufficient.

1. Gold card holders first. 10 years with a season ticket gets you a gold card.
2. Chairmans drink. 5 years with a season ticket gets you a chairmans drink.
3. Season ticket holders up to 5 years.
4 Boro Pride card holders. £25-£50 a season. Gets you a few quid off match days prices.
5. General sale.

This prevents a closed shop and gives opportunity to all.
 
Malaguena said:
Yes, and the relevance of your question is what exactly ?
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You want to get rid of all loyalty privileges yet I highly doubt you’d get to more than a few games a season which isn’t your fault but I don’t understand why you’d want to take away any loyalty benefits.

Humpty said:
We don't need a specific priority points system. A season ticket based system is sufficient.

1. Gold card holders first. 10 years with a season ticket gets you a gold card.
2. Chairmans drink. 5 years with a season ticket gets you a chairmans drink.
3. Season ticket holders up to 5 years.
4 Boro Pride card holders. £25-£50 a season. Gets you a few quid off match days prices.
5. General sale.

This prevents a closed shop and gives opportunity to all.
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It isn’t a closed shop, you just need to go to more games and build your points.
 
Sexpom said:
People kick off about the away ST but if it was available would any of you actually buy one?
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Haha no mate.. defo not.. just like those that are angry with the system, that they can't access Sunderland and Huddersfield tickets, don't then go and buy the readily available Bristol, Swansea, Norwich, Birmingham, Stoke, etc etc etc tickets.

They only want to go to the games they want to go to, and kick up a fuss if they can't.
 
CarrickBall said:
Haha no mate.. defo not.. just like those that are angry with the system, that they can't access Sunderland and Huddersfield tickets, don't then go and buy the readily available Bristol, Swansea, Norwich, Birmingham, Stoke, etc etc etc tickets.

They only want to go to the games they want to go to, and kick up a fuss if they can't.
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I’m currently don’t go to games, and I don’t think I will for long time.

I used to go to all home games and over half of the away games. If we had the system we do now, I don’t think it’s fair.

Im not looking at through my own lense, I just looking at something that should treat fans as equals, rewarding loyalty in the right way
 
ForssAwakens said:
I’m currently don’t go to games, and I don’t think I will for long time.

I used to go to all home games and over half of the away games. If we had the system we do now, I don’t think it’s fair.

Im not looking at through my own lense, I just looking at something that should treat fans as equals, rewarding loyalty in the right way
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What is the right way? I’m lucky I can get to a lot of games and I know not everyone is in the same boat but you can’t have these games as free for alls. The most loyal end up missing out.
 
ForssAwakens said:
I’m currently don’t go to games, and I don’t think I will for long time.

I used to go to all home games and over half of the away games. If we had the system we do now, I don’t think it’s fair.

Im not looking at through my own lense, I just looking at something that should treat fans as equals, rewarding loyalty in the right way
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But not all fans should be treat and looked after equally.

Fan A, who doesn't have a season ticket and only goes to one or two away games a season when his mates go on a jolly boys **** up, should not be given the same priority access to high demand tickets as Fan B who has a season ticket and travels to 15-20 away games per season.

Fan A, who has a season ticket but doesn't go to away games but decides on the off chance that they fancy going to Sunderland away, shouldn't be given the same access to those Sunderland tickets as Fan B who has a season ticket and travels to every single away game.

Fan B in the above scenarios puts in more time, more effort and more money than Fan A.. so when it comes to high demand games with limited availability that EVERYONE wants to go to.. they shouldn't miss out to someone that just wants to go because they feel like it that game.

Building up points so they can access the high demand tickets is available to Fan A.. most away games make general sale. They just have to put the effort in. They can't just pick and choose which they want to go to and expect to be able to nip in front of the queue over someone that goes every week.
 
CarrickBall said:
Haha no mate.. defo not.. just like those that are angry with the system, that they can't access Sunderland and Huddersfield tickets, don't then go and buy the readily available Bristol, Swansea, Norwich, Birmingham, Stoke, etc etc etc tickets.

They only want to go to the games they want to go to, and kick up a fuss if they can't.
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Despite hundreds of posts on the subject, on multiple threads, this sums it up,for me.
 
CarrickBall said:
But not all fans should be treat and looked after equally.

Fan A, who doesn't have a season ticket and only goes to one or two away games a season when his mates go on a jolly boys **** up, should not be given the same priority access to high demand tickets as Fan B who has a season ticket and travels to 15-20 away games per season.

Fan A, who has a season ticket but doesn't go to away games but decides on the off chance that they fancy going to Sunderland away, shouldn't be given the same access to those Sunderland tickets as Fan B who has a season ticket and travels to every single away game.

Fan B in the above scenarios puts in more time, more effort and more money than Fan A.. so when it comes to high demand games with limited availability that EVERYONE wants to go to.. they shouldn't miss out to someone that just wants to go because they feel like it that game.

Building up points so they can access the high demand tickets is available to Fan A.. most away games make general sale. They just have to put the effort in. They can't just pick and choose which they want to go to and expect to be able to nip in front of the queue over someone that goes every week.
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I didn’t say that every fan should be given equally opportunity

The priority system is fine by mine, if everyone is accessing it the same way

Gold cards shouldn’t get more points if you can’t earn the right to become later down the line

Away season tickets shouldn’t be a thing if no one else can have one.

The above 2 are unfair. Fans aren’t being treat equally

If everyone has the same opportunity to earn priority points, then people are being treat equally
 
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