Meanwhile, in Sweden...

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So far, Sweden has only had 4 days where over 100 people died from coronavirus. The last of those was June 16th. Total deaths 2,679 (this has been a holiday weekend so expect a spike in reported deaths later this week).

So, despite a soft lockdown, with kids allowed to play and go to school, businesses to function etc, the y have approx 2,700 deaths in a population of 10 million

Spain has a population about 4 times that size, but a death toll just less than 10 x that ... with a very severe lockdown for 6 weeks, with kids kept indoors and out of school.

Italy has a population 6 times Swedens with a death toll over 10 x the Swedish count, despite a severe 6 week lockdown.

So many questions.
 
borolad259 said:
So far, Sweden has only had 4 days where over 100 people died from coronavirus. The last of those was June 16th. Total deaths 2,679 (this has been a holiday weekend so expect a spike in reported deaths later this week).

So, despite a soft lockdown, with kids allowed to play and go to school, businesses to function etc, the y have approx 2,700 deaths in a population of 10 million

Spain has a population about 4 times that size, but a death toll just less than 10 x that ... with a very severe lockdown for 6 weeks, with kids kept indoors and out of school.

Italy has a population 6 times Swedens with a death toll over 10 x the Swedish count, despite a severe 6 week lockdown.

So many questions.
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Questions which we will never get an honest answer to. We will be told it's a different culture, different testing etc etc then it will turn political again.
I fear what another announcement of an extension of full special measures will do to this country, economically and more importantly socially.
 
borolad259 said:
So far, Sweden has only had 4 days where over 100 people died from coronavirus. The last of those was June 16th. Total deaths 2,679 (this has been a holiday weekend so expect a spike in reported deaths later this week).

So, despite a soft lockdown, with kids allowed to play and go to school, businesses to function etc, the y have approx 2,700 deaths in a population of 10 million

Spain has a population about 4 times that size, but a death toll just less than 10 x that ... with a very severe lockdown for 6 weeks, with kids kept indoors and out of school.

Italy has a population 6 times Swedens with a death toll over 10 x the Swedish count, despite a severe 6 week lockdown.

So many questions.
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I heard on a podcast that Italy had a super spreader in the care homes. New York had a super spreader who infected 100 people really early on. I think South Korea had a super spreader too.
 
Given that around 70 to 80% of people are asymptomatic or have mild illness that they don't think is covid 19, we have no way of knowing how many super-spreaders there were. But it can be airborne, hitching a ride on dust and particulates. That's how it got from China all around the world, into the most remote parts of Sweden in a matter of weeks.
 
borolad259 said:
Given that around 70 to 80% of people are asymptomatic or have mild illness that they don't think is covid 19, we have no way of knowing how many super-spreaders there were. But it can be airborne, hitching a ride on dust and particulates. That's how it got from China all around the world, into the most remote parts of Sweden in a matter of weeks.
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What evidence is there for that? Peer reviewed research?
 
borolad259 said:
Given that around 70 to 80% of people are asymptomatic or have mild illness that they don't think is covid 19, we have no way of knowing how many super-spreaders there were. But it can be airborne, hitching a ride on dust and particulates. That's how it got from China all around the world, into the most remote parts of Sweden in a matter of weeks.
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Pretty sure it can't be airborne
 
bear66 said:
What evidence is there for that? Peer reviewed research?
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I know they managed to trace some of the probable ground zero points by working back like they did with Typhoid Mary.

I’d like to see a link to the airborne spread theory. As far as I’m aware it is a very minor way of spreading, even in aerosol form.
 
borolad259 said:
So far, Sweden has only had 4 days where over 100 people died from coronavirus. The last of those was June 16th. Total deaths 2,679 (this has been a holiday weekend so expect a spike in reported deaths later this week).

So, despite a soft lockdown, with kids allowed to play and go to school, businesses to function etc, the y have approx 2,700 deaths in a population of 10 million

Spain has a population about 4 times that size, but a death toll just less than 10 x that ... with a very severe lockdown for 6 weeks, with kids kept indoors and out of school.

Italy has a population 6 times Swedens with a death toll over 10 x the Swedish count, despite a severe 6 week lockdown.

So many questions.
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Isn’t there some correlation between city size/population concentration and spread/death rate? Sweden doesn’t really have many big cities, Stockholm and Gothenburg aside. Spain and Italy have a lot more large cities with high population densities, perhaps with a higher concentration living in apartments where the spread is likely to be more significant (communal areas,lifts, door handles, corridors, air conditioning etc, Perhaps this is a considerable factor.
 
It was in various new sources about a week ago that they found the vrirus on airborne pollution particulates. Aerosol containing the virus was contaminating larger airborne particles. Can't remember where I read it but it was in several places. I think the research was in the far east though. Should be searchable. The same researchers thought it possible that it could travel through centralised air conditioning systems.
 
It can survive on surfaces of plastic and metal for 3 days but I know that the latest discovery police forensic labs are now having to be careful of is it has been found to have survived up to 5 days in some closed environments such as sealed evidence bags.

Unlikely, if that is it’s shelf life in an environment like that, that it can travel from China to Sweden on the wind.
 
borolad259 said:
It was in various new sources about a week ago that they found the vrirus on airborne pollution particulates. Aerosol containing the virus was contaminating larger airborne particles. Can't remember where I read it but it was in several places. I think the research was in the far east though. Should be searchable. The same researchers thought it possible that it could travel through centralised air conditioning systems.
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Like on a plane?
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Isn’t there some correlation between city size/population concentration and spread/death rate? Sweden doesn’t really have many big cities, Stockholm and Gothenburg aside. Spain and Italy have a lot more large cities with high population densities, perhaps with a higher concentration living in apartments where the spread is likely to be more significant (communal areas,lifts, door handles, corridors, air conditioning etc, Perhaps this is a considerable factor.
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Well, that may be true,but then it's a good reason not to rely upon locking people into those buildings to halt the spread of the virus. One infected person in that building could infect most of the inghabitants ... as happened on cruise ships.
 
An interesting take, from a slightly different angle. The bit about baby boomers sacrificing the future and quality of life of the young to save their own skins is close to the bone. But he might be correct.
 
borolad259 said:
Well, that may be true,but then it's a good reason not to rely upon locking people into those buildings to halt the spread of the virus. One infected person in that building could infect most of the inghabitants ... as happened on cruise ships.
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I don’t doubt that. I was just suggesting that there are pretty significant factors as to why Spain and Italy have fared worse than Sweden.
 
borolad259 said:
So far, Sweden has only had 4 days where over 100 people died from coronavirus. The last of those was June 16th. Total deaths 2,679 (this has been a holiday weekend so expect a spike in reported deaths later this week).

So, despite a soft lockdown, with kids allowed to play and go to school, businesses to function etc, the y have approx 2,700 deaths in a population of 10 million

Spain has a population about 4 times that size, but a death toll just less than 10 x that ... with a very severe lockdown for 6 weeks, with kids kept indoors and out of school.

Italy has a population 6 times Swedens with a death toll over 10 x the Swedish count, despite a severe 6 week lockdown.

So many questions.
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June 16th?
 
Interesting watch Borolad.
from the offset it was going to be old and poorly people bearing the brunt. They’re old and they’re already poorly. Harsh but true.
Do they not still deserve the same opportunity to live as a young fit person?
theres all sorts of morale issues.
ive had a few conversations With friends about this.
It’s like 80 year olds getting transplants and major surgery then complaining that the nhs is underfunded or we don’t have enough money.
We can’t do everything, we can’t save everyone. We all die some day, but people don’t want to, understandably. We’re not designed to live forever. I don’t actually think we’re designed to live as long as we are.
I’m just approaching middle age btw so in the middle of the road.
 
Facefuzz said:
Interesting watch Borolad.
from the offset it was going to be old and poorly people bearing the brunt. They’re old and they’re already poorly. Harsh but true.
Do they not still deserve the same opportunity to live as a young fit person?
theres all sorts of morale issues.
ive had a few conversations With friends about this.
It’s like 80 year olds getting transplants and major surgery then complaining that the nhs is underfunded or we don’t have enough money.
We can’t do everything, we can’t save everyone. We all die some day, but people don’t want to, understandably. We’re not designed to live forever. I don’t actually think we’re designed to live as long as we are.
I’m just approaching middle age btw so in the middle of the road.
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We could put as much into our health service that other developed nations do. Bottom of that League is an indictment of our society.
 
bear66 said:
We could put as much into our health service that other developed nations do. Bottom of that League is an indictment of our society.
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Just had a quick look. Shocked me that, I thought we would be one of the higher.

Did look like we have 1 of the highest public funded systems in the world though.

If you spend more then you pay for it. When I say you I don't mean everybody, I mean the people who can afford to.
 
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