Michael carrick into 6/1 second fav

Just been watching some of Carrick's interviews from when he was caretake at Man Utd. He speaks a lot better than I remember, I thought he was quite dour, but he speaks well. The more I see it, he's a perfect fit for us. Let's get it done and start looking to Blackburn.
 
Carrick argued with Solskjær to play three at the back over 4-2-3-1 so the change might not be that extreme. We’ve got a decent back three, decent goalkeeper, wingbacks and strikers with Akpom and Muniz. The magic formulae lies in the midfield.. between Carrick and his assistants and our existing backroom team.. you’d think we’d crack it sooner rather than later!
You're right that we're strong in goal, with both options, strong at the back, strong out wide and quite strong up front with Muniz (and maybe Chuba too), but it is the midfield letting us down, it can make all those other areas appear worse than they are.

The problem now in midfield is we don't even really have one player, in centre mid, who would get in most of the top 10 sides, pretty much every other team has a centre mid which would walk into ours.
 
We got rid of Mowbray and appointed Karanka. Karanka added a group of good players to a good group signed by Mowbray. The team started to fly. There’s no reason to think the same can’t happen under Carrick and some of the current squad.

Karanka inherited Adomah, Ayala, Friend, Gibson and Leadbitter but he also inherited Carayol, Emnes, Jutkiewicz, Richardson and Kamara.

The new bloke needs to tighten us up at the back and build from there, then strengthen the midfield in January. Again, there is absolutely nothing to suggest Carrick can’t or isn’t able to do that.

I get that we’re struggling, managerless, 22nd. Things are at quite a low ebb. But some of the stuff I’ve read on here over the past few days, a lot of it reads as defeatist nonsense borne of a misplaced sense of entitlement.

Some people seem so angry, so bitter, so sure they’re right about how sh*t the Boro and those running it are. You really do wonder why some people follow us, it seems to bring so much misery. I remember when I started going in 1990/91, we were team trying to get back up and had never won anything or even reached a big final before. There did seem to be some sort of humour to be found in it though, something still to be enjoyed, a sort of shared experience. That just doesn’t seem to be there any more.

I remember blokes swearing and stuff but nobody really stood in the corner of the Holgate shouting about how’d they’d been through the club’s accounts and we’re f*cked and so are you. This level of criticism I’ve seen here every day for a week and often before, right since game one of the season, it feels genuinely unpleasant TBH.

Anyway, Carrick. No reason he can’t lift the place and instil some confidence IMO. Good luck to him if he takes it. I’d be optimistic but I was optimistic about Wilder. And the rest of them before him.
Wilder didn’t get the money for the midfield he wanted so why will carrick get it? If we had it why didn’t we spend it in the summer and we might not be in this mess.

The club has gone backwards for 15 year now minus the one premier league season which Gibson completely threw away a fantastic opportunity from. We have sat here watching numerous clubs overtake us while we slowly got worse and now are in real danger of being relegated. Do you expect us to be happy at how things are being run?
 
We got rid of Mowbray and appointed Karanka. Karanka added a group of good players to a good group signed by Mowbray. The team started to fly. There’s no reason to think the same can’t happen under Carrick and some of the current squad.

Karanka inherited Adomah, Ayala, Friend, Gibson and Leadbitter but he also inherited Carayol, Emnes, Jutkiewicz, Richardson and Kamara.

The new bloke needs to tighten us up at the back and build from there, then strengthen the midfield in January. Again, there is absolutely nothing to suggest Carrick can’t or isn’t able to do that.

I get that we’re struggling, managerless, 22nd. Things are at quite a low ebb. But some of the stuff I’ve read on here over the past few days, a lot of it reads as defeatist nonsense borne of a misplaced sense of entitlement.

Some people seem so angry, so bitter, so sure they’re right about how sh*t the Boro and those running it are. You really do wonder why some people follow us, it seems to bring so much misery. I remember when I started going in 1990/91, we were team trying to get back up and had never won anything or even reached a big final before. There did seem to be some sort of humour to be found in it though, something still to be enjoyed, a sort of shared experience. That just doesn’t seem to be there any more.

I remember blokes swearing and stuff but nobody really stood in the corner of the Holgate shouting about how’d they’d been through the club’s accounts and we’re f*cked and so are you. This level of criticism I’ve seen here every day for a week and often before, right since game one of the season, it feels genuinely unpleasant TBH.

Anyway, Carrick. No reason he can’t lift the place and instil some confidence IMO. Good luck to him if he takes it. I’d be optimistic but I was optimistic about Wilder. And the rest of them before him.
Absolutely this!

Hopefully, Carrick is announced soon and we can then get behind him.
 
It is absolutely the midfield, we are sorely missing Tav.

We don't have specialists in any area in midfield (e.g. a Boateng style CDM, a Tav style box-to-box, a Ramirez style CAM) so we are sub-par across the board - offering very little in the way of attacking threat and defensive cover. We either have to sit back and offer nothing going forward, or we push forward and leave ourselves exposed - and we don't have the quality going either way to make it worth our while
 
Getting rid of a proven championship manager to appoint a complete unknown doesn’t really add up for me. With all the money this is costing couldn’t we have just bought Wilder his two midfielders which would probably have us close to the top 6 right now?

Scary to think if this is the wrong appointment which it could very well be then it’s likely league one for us
clearly there is more to this than simply results, yes results should be better, but the Bournemouth and Burnley rumours may well have had truth, the 'not happy with recruitment and having a DoF above him' may have broken the relationship with Gibson, who knows. Pretty much every players form has fallen off a cliff over the last 4 or 5 weeks too, it wasn't a happy camp
 
As someone said you don’t get a coaching role at Man U if you aren’t up to it.
I'm not so sure about that personally. I actually think they're as nepotistic as Boro in many regards - lots of ex players on the coaching staff, few who've gone onto have success elsewhere?
 
Getting rid of a proven championship manager to appoint a complete unknown doesn’t really add up for me. With all the money this is costing couldn’t we have just bought Wilder his two midfielders which would probably have us close to the top 6 right now?

Scary to think if this is the wrong appointment which it could very well be then it’s likely league one for us
How much money is it costing?
 
How much money is it costing?
Well he has 18 months left on his contract, however, I suspect he will only be paid off up until he takes another job it's often how it works. So if he goes to West Brom, maybe a couple of weeks wages to get him out, if he sits on his ass for 18 months then probably up to 1.5m
 
I’m not against Carrick but there’s been too many gambles with managers so I’m starting to think it needs an experienced manager

Since relegation in 2009 we've appointed 8 permanent managers, 6 of them were experienced, 7 of them failed, the only successful one was Karanka and he had no managerial experience.
 
I didn’t mean past managers were inexperienced I just meant Carrick is and would prefer someone who has a record that can be judged

I did say I’m not totally against the appointment just I do think there are some decently managers out there
I guess one of the contra arguments is that there are a lot of managers who have failed at their previous jobs out there. Bruce being an obvious example. A serial failure. We tried with Wilder who had a track record that looked very promising, and yet, here we are...
 
I'm reluctant to type this and please take with a hefty pinch of salt but I was talking with a guy who works in the golf side of things at Rockliffe last night and he said Gibson has arranged a 4 ball game there today, something he never usually does apparently.. may be just bollox or may be just a day out with associates of his.. but it may also be an opportunity to have a more relaxed chat with our number one target? 🤷‍♂️
 
I guess one of the contra arguments is that there are a lot of managers who have failed at their previous jobs out there. Bruce being an obvious example. A serial failure. We tried with Wilder who had a track record that looked very promising, and yet, here we are...
Personality over abiliteh.

They have to be someone the chairman and DoF can work with, that the players can respect and work for, and the fans can get behind even through a tough spell
 
I didn’t mean past managers were inexperienced I just meant Carrick is and would prefer someone who has a record that can be judged

I did say I’m not totally against the appointment just I do think there are some decently managers out there

"just I do think there are some decently managers out there" IMHO we've tried the experienced managers route & I'm not seeing anything available [ & probably interested in us ] that looks worthy - Wilder - was & would be now if he hadn't stuffed it up be my choice.. he had some long term credibility about him, however the table doesn't lie & I think CW & his coaches are responsible for much of that.

When we do get a new manager & coaching team in, it will be interesting to see what a positive effect can have on the squad: style, performance & results.
 
Tbf I’d take ability all day long.

I always hated that phrase.
it was a dumb phrase, however what's clear is that we need someone that buys into the DoF method, someone that buys into our signing strategy. All our permanent signings since Wilder joined are under 24 or free transfers. You don't make profit when you sign players at 26+. So they need to work with younger players with big potential and draw it out of them.
 
I'm reluctant to type this and please take with a hefty pinch of salt but I was talking with a guy who works in the golf side of things at Rockliffe last night and he said Gibson has arranged a 4 ball game there today, something he never usually does apparently.. may be just bollox or may be just a day out with associates of his.. but it may also be an opportunity to have a more relaxed chat with our number one target? 🤷‍♂️
Golf. NUFC. Middlesbrough.
 
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