Michael carrick into 6/1 second fav

We didn’t spend because we don’t have it.. at least not to gamble on. We got the money in late for Spence and the sale for Tavernier looks to have been spread over all the incomings. Fry was due to be sold this summer.. he didn’t want to go. Maybe that effected some targets also. I happen to think we would have been screwed if Fry had been sold to pay for a big ticket striker.

7 managers? Monk, Pulis, Woodgate, Warnock, Wilder..

We are in the relegation zone.. if we don’t get relegated will you view that as progress?
or do we need to win a European cup?
We sold Spence 19th July, just how much more time did we want? That’s almost 6 weeks before the window closed. I could understand that argument if he went on deadline day.

Depends how you define progress, we will almost certainly finish lower than last season, not sure why you included that at the end to make it look like I’m being unrealistic though. I know you are so desperate not to believe it but this club is clearly in decline and has been for a long time now
 
There's people here that would want Gibson gone if we'd failed to win the CL for the 3rd season in a row.
Tbh it's just not worth feeding the trolls.
 
We've been a disaster since 2006 other than a blip when Gibson brought Kenyon in, someone who actually knew about how to run a football club. Probably the best signing he's made in 15 years. He's tried to do it again with Scott but gone the budget route. He doesn't quite have the connections that Kenyon had as his highest profile role before us was as a scout for a yo-yo club.

Edit. I've just checked and he's so anonymous he isn't even a recommended result on Google.
 
There's people here that would want Gibson gone if we'd failed to win the CL for the 3rd season in a row.
Tbh it's just not worth feeding the trolls.
Again another one not able to have any sort of discussion on Gibson without resorting to that. Let’s just ignore the last few years and where we are now and pretend everything’s ok
 
We sold Spence 19th July, just how much more time did we want? That’s almost 6 weeks before the window closed. I could understand that argument if he went on deadline day.

Depends how you define progress, we will almost certainly finish lower than last season, not sure why you included that at the end to make it look like I’m being unrealistic though. I know you are so desperate not to believe it but this club is clearly in decline and has been for a long time now
Season kicked off 30th July we’re not in a position to compete with newly relegated team.. in that we can’t go toe to toe with them on everything. We do think and work differently, progress can be keeping our head above water.. bringing in money for players. Bringing in coaches and staff from outside of the club.

It’s ups and downs.. naturally sitting at the bottom of the championship no one will claim progress from 7th. I think firing Wilder looks like progress, we were going nowhere with him. He didn’t want our players or academy. Bring on Carrick and let’s see us ahead of the rest with a go at the playoffs (maybe next season)
 
There's people here that would want Gibson gone if we'd failed to win the CL for the 3rd season in a row.
Tbh it's just not worth feeding the trolls.
Who would that be zzzz?
I'd very much like a new owner and have no problem saying so and why.
I fully accept that unless Gibson writes off his debt to self, that can't happen. Hence we are stuck with each other.
A bit like you and I on this board.

Disagreeing doesn't make anybody a troll.
 
Season kicked off 30th July we’re not in a position to compete with newly relegated team.. in that we can’t go toe to toe with them on everything. We do think and work differently, progress can be keeping our head above water.. bringing in money for players. Bringing in coaches and staff from outside of the club.

It’s ups and downs.. naturally sitting at the bottom of the championship no one will claim progress from 7th. I think firing Wilder looks like progress, we were going nowhere with him. He didn’t want our players or academy. Bring on Carrick and let’s see us ahead of the rest with a go at the playoffs (maybe next season)
The window was open until the end of august though, that’s no excuse for not bringing a player in.

We don’t know if it’s progress from wilder yet because it hasn’t happened. But ultimately sacking yet another manager doesn’t feel like progress to me, if he wasn’t willing to use the players we brought in then why did we sign these players? Or instead appoint a manager who would work with a DOF? It’s a structure with zero link up between owner recruitment and manager and it’s been a problem for years now
 
Post 462 in response to you suggesting we are in a decline from 15 years ago in Europe to now.. propping up the championship.
462 was a daft response.
As was 468, which didn't make sense as I'd not referenced Mowatt or Europe, just that we have gone backwards.
 
The window was open until the end of august though, that’s no excuse for not bringing a player in.
Which player?
We don’t know if it’s progress from wilder yet because it hasn’t happened.
If we don’t get relegated it will be progress from Wilder
But ultimately sacking yet another manager doesn’t feel like progress to me.
The alternative is relegation in this case.
If he wasn’t willing to use the players we brought in then why did we sign these players?
He made it clear he didn’t want to use Fry, Dijksteel, Forss, Hoppe and any academy players. Poor man management imo.
Or instead appoint a manager who would work with a DOF?
Wilder talked the talk but didn’t walk the walk
It’s a structure with zero link up between owner recruitment and manager and it’s been a problem for years now
It’s a structure with limited financial resources. We will always risk losing players to better financed clubs.
 
462 was a daft response.
As was 468, which didn't make sense as I'd not referenced Mowatt or Europe, just that we have gone backwards.
Backwards from when? or is it the obvious and therefore redundant point that from 7th last year.. we are now in the relegation zone.

I don’t believe this problem has been there for years btw. A bad finish to last season which we didn’t recover from.
 
Which player?

If we don’t get relegated it will be progress from Wilder

The alternative is relegation in this case.

He made it clear he didn’t want to use Fry, Dijksteel, Forss, Hoppe and any academy players. Poor man management imo.

Wilder talked the talk but didn’t walk the walk

It’s a structure with limited financial resources. We will always risk losing players to better financed clubs.
The fact that avoiding relegation would be progress surely shows just how far this club has actually declined
 
The fact that avoiding relegation would be progress surely shows just how far this club has actually declined
From when? We weren’t that far off from Woodgate.. if anything we’ve stagnated. Before that HUGE mistakes in recruitment have already been accepted and acknowledged. We can’t keep using that as a stick to beat the club with. 15 YEARS WE’VE BEEN IN DECLINE

Not bad for a club in decline Valdez, Traore, De Roon, Negredo.. etc etc

Things don’t always work out, but we have more goes than most
 
At least we have the hope of a bit of a war fund in January.
But why not spend it when the 'war' started? It is harder to do business in January as a rule and you have to pay a premium to prise away players who are performing well.

And you just know we'll try and do everything in the last couple of days and run out of time.....
 
But why not spend it when the 'war' started? It is harder to do business in January as a rule and you have to pay a premium to prise away players who are performing well.

And you just know we'll try and do everything in the last couple of days and run out of time.....
Depends on what players and the circumstances. The wheels can quickly come off a project when you find you’ve got a manager trying to jump ship. These ‘must have’ players become a bit more of a concern.

£10m on Larsen Strand starts to look like £10m on Braithwaite
 
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Depends on what players and the circumstances. The wheels can quickly come off a project when you find you’ve got a manager trying to jump ship. This ‘must have’ players become a bit more of a concern.

£10m on Larsen Strand starts to look like £10m on Braithwaite
You flip flop so wildly and are so tangential in such a short space of time, I don't know what you ever really think.
 
Exceptional times.

It's not every day you employ a Manager that EVERYONE was over the moon with to find out that he'd been constantly job begging elsewhere fully undermining the morale of the squad.

It's why we are where we are. And it's why the bedwetters are now drowning in their own pesh and clamouring for Gibson out.

It will pass. Thankfully most of us recognise it for what it is and remember the good times.

UTFB and Gibson!
 
You flip flop so wildly and are so tangential in such a short space of time, I don't know what you ever really think.
I think Gibson is doing the best with what he has. I think Wilder was a bad egg and I don’t think his failings reflect those of our club. Yes, we need to progress, I believe that has always been the intention, but it does have to be within our means and sometimes you roll the dice and it doesn’t pay off.
 
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