Much more than 100 corporate. There is at least that in the Hardwick Bar. I'd say more like 1500.OAPS represent - 2 849 of the concessions.
The remainder are younger concession groups - fans of the future.
This all totals at just over 19000 total - so am supposing we have about 100 corporate. They must be regarded as a separate income item.
The 20000 will in include corporate season card holders. This will be at least 1000 I reckon.In the recent supporter's forum meeting minutes LF stated we have over 20,000 season card holders. How does that tally with just over 19000 ?
If you read what I said I am wondering if there are 1000 season tickets in corporate etc.In the recent supporter's forum meeting minutes LF stated we have over 20,000 season card holders. How does that tally with just over 19000 ?
These figures are from the football club.Rob I think you are mixing up terms.
The £22m transfer fees for Spence and Tavernier are pure profit THIS financial year and will be shown as such in the P&L. The £6.5m you refer to has cashflow, not profit ramifications only.
The costs you quote are mixing amortisation charges and outgoing cash payments.
A player’s transfer fee is amortised over the length of a contract, this is not the same as the payment schedule agreed between the clubs. Amortisation is an expense in the P&L and is accounting practise; the payment schedule is by negotiation and impacts Cash Flow not the P&L.
Clubs don’t pay Capital Gains Tax on footballers they pay Corporation Tax on the proceeds of trading them versus their amortised book value.
There is no book value for Tavernier or Spence, so their sale will be in THIS year's books as the asset (registration) is no longer owned by Boro. There is no Capital Gains Tax payable on these intangible assets.
IF there is a Nett profit before tax made by the club, then the club will be due Corporation Tax on that residual Nett Profit before Tax.
In reality the club will not make much of a profit this season even with this extraordinary £22m profit from sales.
So no tax will be paid on the proceeds of sale of Spence and Tavernier.
Maybe not, I would guess parents of those kids in the family zone are included as concessionary tickets?Interesting also to note 50% of our home support is
That would make more sense.If you read what I said I am wondering if there are 1000 season tickets in corporate etc.
The figures maybe Rob, but what the figure means and how you use it is critical.These figures are from the football club.
Indeedido - the context I put these figures in and the interpretation was not mine. It was from Middlesbrough Football Club.The figures maybe Rob, but what the figure means and how you use it is critical.
I don't dispute it. My comments/explanations remain absolutely right.Indeedido - the context I put these figures in and the interpretation was not mine. It was from Middlesbrough Football Club.
Aye, your wrote 100, but 1000 is probably right.If you read what I said I am wondering if there are 1000 season tickets in corporate etc.
Apologies I did yes - total number of season cards I quoted was 19,061 (counting 618 carers).Aye, your wrote 100, but 1000 is probably right.
If the service was any good in the concourse on a matchday they'd sell more. I don't even bother trying now.Yes, recruitment with hindsight is very easy. I think it was Fergie who said if you get 7 out of 10 signings right, you're doing extremely well.
I am shocked about running costs exceeding ticket revenue. I was always aware that the energy bill for match days must be huge to start with, and has no doubt rocketed. I note it says gate receipts rather than match day revenue, so I don't think that includes intake from refreshments etc. However, I've always though fans over-estimate how much profit the club makes on these anyway. How much of your overpriced larger is actually profit at the end of the day, once purchase cost, tax, bar staff, cooling etc have been taken out?
I honestly think we could have done without Britt Assombalonga and Rudy Gestede..I do wonder sometimes if we could’ve paid for a considerable chunk of the above if we hadn’t wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds - possibly more, even - on players like Luongo, Archer, Ameobi, Connolly, players who contributed little or nothing to the cause while taking Christ knows how much money out of the club. You can take it back longer if you want to as well.
I received this reply from Boro to some of the specific points posted a couple of weeks ago regarding player sales and capital gains tax etc. They may be of interest in shedding more light on the club's finances etc.I don't dispute it. My comments/explanations remain absolutely right.
The club have provided some numbers to a Fans Forum, who for whatever reason don't challenge.
It is good the Club have given something, but it is right that the numbers and their comments should be challenged when they do not make sense.
I'm not having a personal pop at you Rob, I guessed that you were passing what you had been told.
We have 20 000. There must be 1000 corporate.I am surprised we only have 19,000 ST
Since Boxing Day our crowds have neven been below 24,800
Away fans typically bring 500 that emans every games has had at least 5,300 walk ups.
The QPR game was 27,500 - thats about 8,000 Boro fan walk ups, if the 19,000 figure is correct.