Morgan Rogers

Frozen Horse said:
As for "We couldn't keep him"; I think that's a reflection of the foolishness of trying to keep a player who wants to leave. Yes, players have all the power, and yes, that stinks. However, it only harms the club if you try to resist that imbalance of power.
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The club also said he didn't push to leave, after he had left. hat's why I think that there could have been some form of release clause. I suspect the bargaining was that they didn't hit the release clause as a guarenteed payment, but instead offered us more as add-ons to take it beyond that. I mean it's rare that a sale is 50% guarenteed and 50% add-ons which is where we are at. Maybe if there was a release clause of 10-12m and Villa said they would offer that in the summer or 8, now and 8m next year.

anyway, to rap it up, it's looking more and more like we will get the full 16m which would be our second biggest sale after Traore. It would likely be the biggest profit on a player that we signed then sold ever. We are a champo side and our players are not tested at prem level, which is where the big value comes in. The only players to move from the champ for £20m without actually playing in the prem first are Watkins, Bellingham. 15-18m is pretty much the top you will get unless its a world class talent like Bellingham. We need to get up, even for a year.
 
BoroMart said:
15-18m is pretty much the top you will get unless its a world class talent like Bellingham. We need to get up, even for a year.
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Alex Scott went for £25m with no PL experience didn't he? He was a lot younger than Rogers though
I think Hackney will be right at that top end. We should get £15-20m for him.
 
Azaz looks a real talent to me. Inevitably people are comparing him to Rogers and it appears many people who have 'set up their camp' on Morgan Rogers are taking the same line on whether Azaz is good or not which is a shame.
 
B_G said:
Alex Scott went for £25m with no PL experience didn't he? He was a lot younger than Rogers though
I think Hackney will be right at that top end. We should get £15-20m for him.
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Also Said Benrahma went for £25m plus add ons in a loan with obligation to buy deal.
 
Humpty said:
Azaz looks a real talent to me. Inevitably people are comparing him to Rogers and it appears many people who have 'set up their camp' on Morgan Rogers are taking the same line on whether Azaz is good or not which is a shame.
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When I initially watched Azaz in Boro shirt, I thought he was drifting through games, not getting on the ball, but he has started to affect games for us now, creative players make mistakes and that's what supporters should expect...they only need to get it right once and they have created a scoring chance, I am critical of players when they hide, but never when they are trying and making some errors...that's how you improve as a player and as a team.
 
Redwurzel said:
I know this is a Rogers thread, but I can see two camps developing on Azaz.

I am baffled by the number of negative comments about him - stuff like he is slow - he didn't look slow when he scored @ Hull. And the team has lost only 4 out of the 17 league games since he signed.
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i wouldn't say its pace specifically, more that he can look ponderous on the ball when he doesn't have viable options ahead of him.

He has looked far better with Jones/ELL in the team offering passing options, forcing defenders/midfielders deeper giving Azaz more space to work in. He can be a big player for us next season.
 
B_G said:
Alex Scott went for £25m with no PL experience didn't he? He was a lot younger than Rogers though
I think Hackney will be right at that top end. We should get £15-20m for him.
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ah, yes I missed him. Anyway, the point stands, Rogers fee with the add ons incoming is right up in the top 10% of fees received for players moving from champo to prem, without ever having prem experience.

Yes, I agree Hackney will probably be higher
 
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BoroMart said:
ah, yes I missed him. Anyway, the point stands, Rogers fee with the add ons incoming is right up in the top 10% of fees received for players moving from champo to prem, without ever having prem experience.

Yes, I agree Hackney will probably be higher
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By the way I agree that Rogers was the right ball park figure for where he was at the time.
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
i wouldn't say its pace specifically, more that he can look ponderous on the ball when he doesn't have viable options ahead of him.

He has looked far better with Jones/ELL in the team offering passing options, forcing defenders/midfielders deeper giving Azaz more space to work in. He can be a big player for us next season.
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I think he might have been too far forward also, so he was up against defenders in tight areas, since he has drifted round the pitch (given more of a free roll) he has looked far more effective..that's why I don't see him as a number 10? But young players are learning and adapting all the time, and Carrick seems to eventually get the best out of them.
I agree, I have seen enough from him to know he will do really well for us when we find how to utilise him.
 
WilliamMunny said:
Also Said Benrahma went for £25m plus add ons in a loan with obligation to buy deal.
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I think both had 2 full seasons of championship football under their belt.

The more consistently a player has performed, the safer bet they are for the buying club, I suppose.

We hope MR would have continued to improve as he played for us but there's no guarentee that he would. On this occasion, the club has chosen to stick, rather than twist.
 
Redwurzel said:
I can see two camps developing on Azaz.

I am baffled by the number of negative comments about him - stuff like he is slow - he didn't look slow when he scored @ Hull. And the team has lost only 4 out of the 17 league games since he signed.
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I think Azaz demonstrates how difficult it is to adapt to the style Carrick plays. He had an initial run of games where the team was struggling, we lost Rogers then Crooks, and didn't have a striker. As with everyone, he struggled and it was worse for him because he was coming into an unstable team and expected to link up play. He played in multiple different positions. Despite that, he still managed 2 goals and 1 assist in 7 starts.

He was then dropped from the team when McGree, Forss and Latte Lath came back. Can't argue with it as this was the start of our unbeaten run.

Forss got injured, so he came back in. Stayed in when McGree got injured and then got moved to the #10 role. You can see him growing into the role and in his 5 starts since then he has contributed with a goal and assist. He now has some stability with Jones to his right and Latte Lath ahead but we still have a gaping hole on the left hand side.

There's every reason to think he'll match then improve on his performances for Plymouth Argyle with a goal or assist every two games. I don't know what his potential is but he's a top-end Championship attacking midfielder at the very least.
 
Humpty said:
Azaz looks a real talent to me. Inevitably people are comparing him to Rogers and it appears many people who have 'set up their camp' on Morgan Rogers are taking the same line on whether Azaz is good or not which is a shame.
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Two players still learning the game. Azaz, like Rogers, has had a steady start, who knows where both will end up. The same goes for Archer, Giles and Ramsey from last season.

And of my comment earlier, if goalscoring isn't an important 'metric' for a forward I'm not sure what is.
 
Bruce said:
I think Azaz demonstrates how difficult it is to adapt to the style Carrick plays.
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spot on. It's a very technical and tactical way of playing. Occasionally someone will hit the ground running like Archer, but I suspect most players will take a bit of work to learn it. Azaz, Ayling if he stays, and plenty of last summers signings will get their first pre-season with Carrick to adopt and adapt Carricks style.
 
I saw lots to be encouraged by despite some obvious rough edges from Rogers debut. He showed technique, speed of thought, vision and passing ability. He had poor matches, but his class looked obvious to me. I posted in support of him an awful lot.

I don't see similarities with Azaz. I haven't seen anything like Rogers regularly showed. That said, he was valued by Argyle fans and I hope he goes on to be a huge success here, why on earth would anybody not want him to?

It's fine to disagree on players.
There aren't many players where I need to dramatically change my view of them. That's not because I'm being stubborn, or desperately want to be proved "right" ffs.
Akpom did surprise me just how good he was in time, as have some others, but quite rarely.
Really good players stand out very very quickly, by their technique, speed, awareness, vision etc. Bamford, Ramirez, Archer, Ramsey, are such.
For me, Rogers was similarly obvious. Azaz not so to me.
 
He got a lot of praise in the latest Rest is Football podcast by Micah Richards and Gary Lineker. Pundits are taking note of him now, wouldn't be surprised at all to see him in an England squad in the next 12 months.
 
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