Neil Etheridge

I am afraid it seems that the Government are not content and there are still to many pensioners and vulnerable people alive. If they kill a few more off it will save a few quid and no doubt help pay for the triple lock to those that survive the winter. It must be unhappy that there are insufficient bodies piling high in the streets too as we have fallen a place in the death totals. I can imagine them thinking that if the NHS workers are going to get a 1% pay rise then the greedy barstewards are gonna have to work harder to justify it. Firkin clueless and unfit to govern. Rant over.
 
.. truth is there are no realistic levers to pull to make things better. Very high levels of vaccinations in the population with getting towards 90% of adults first vaccinated, soon it will be similar 2nd vaccinated

If you dont want to open up now then when? What exactly is the benefit by not opening up, reduce some cases now to have them all later instead? The vaccine is the only game in town although personnaly wish the Govt kept on mandating masks on public transport.
 
In the last 2-3 weeks I’ve known more people to testing positive than any time during the pandemic.
They are all under 35 with just a single vaccination. Thankfully I’ve not heard of any being seriously ill.

On a different point, a colleague of mine who has previously tested positive, is double jabbed, tested positive again last week. They’ve then passed it on to others at work. They didn’t have symptoms but were randomly tested. I guess the vaccine in there effectiveness to prevent symptoms can cause “superspreaders”.
 
I've had it for the last week now and every day I'm getting texts from mates or family saying they've got it or know someone who's tested positive.
 
OttersBoro said:
.. truth is there are no realistic levers to pull to make things better. Very high levels of vaccinations in the population with getting towards 90% of adults first vaccinated, soon it will be similar 2nd vaccinated

If you dont want to open up now then when? What exactly is the benefit by not opening up, reduce some cases now to have them all later instead? The vaccine is the only game in town although personnaly wish the Govt kept on mandating masks on public transport.
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How about when everyone who wants to be fully vaccinated is, but in the meantime keep less severe restrictions in place like mask wearing and social distancing in some settings
 
We are going to be locked down again by the end of August aren't we, or is this where we go for the great herd immunity? The vaccine might not prove to be the get out of jail free card that the government hoped. Seems that yet again we are making this up as we go along, not necessarily a dig at our government, because it's the same throughout the world. People want a simple solution back to 2019, but I'm afraid that might never happen and we might just have to adapt to survive.
 
Although it's not officially part of the government strategy, it seems pretty clear that they are aiming for hard immunity.

At no other point since this whole thing started have I personally known so many people who are positive, most double jabbed and most suffering from far more than minor symptoms, albeit none have been hospitalised.

A complete removal of restrictions seems instinctively wrong, but then that's been the consistent pattern with this government's decision making.
 
As with most things it is about balance and timing.

My belief is that very very few people will be seriously ill, need ICU, or die if they are double vaccinated and then accept boosters.
Once everyone has had the opportunity to become double jabbed then I see no reason why life should not go on with very little restriction.
Tens of millions have faced incredible disruption to their lives, circumstances and prospects in order to protect the most vulnerable (largely the elderly and with health conditions). I think that balance was right.
But now if people still resist the full vaccination then I don't think the rest of society (especially the young) should have their lives compromised so much and indefinitely in order to protect the ignorance/choice of others.

Take the vaccine, get boosters, treat others with respect in public spaces and get back to as normal as we can.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Although it's not officially part of the government strategy, it seems pretty clear that they are aiming for hard immunity.

At no other point since this whole thing started have I personally known so many people who are positive, most double jabbed and most suffering from far more than minor symptoms, albeit none have been hospitalised.

A complete removal of restrictions seems instinctively wrong, but then that's been the consistent pattern with this government's decision making.
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The only thing that will dictate future restrictions/lock downs are hospital admissions.

If the NHS can cope then it's carry on as is.

People can help themselves and each other though by being sensible/practical but I fear that's not likely. I was in Middlesbrough Town Centre yesterday and hardly anyone wearing a mask outside of shops and plenty not wearing one inside shops as well.

As for people who are choosing not to get vaccinated, the mind boggles, I get those who can't but younger people complaining & not getting one because they have to travel a bit of distance I just don't understand.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Although it's not officially part of the government strategy, it seems pretty clear that they are aiming for hard immunity.

At no other point since this whole thing started have I personally known so many people who are positive, most double jabbed and most suffering from far more than minor symptoms, albeit none have been hospitalised.

A complete removal of restrictions seems instinctively wrong, but then that's been the consistent pattern with this government's decision making.
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People aren't being hospitalised, but they are being really ill, we really don't know the long term effects either as the number of people who seem to suffer with what they call 'long covid' is becoming a serious concern, seems very similar to ME and a number of my friends who suffer with that are now registered disabled with no quality of life at all.
 
JM14 said:
How about when everyone who wants to be fully vaccinated is, but in the meantime keep less severe restrictions in place like mask wearing and social distancing in some settings
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.. I guess the arguement of not deferring until 18-30 full vaccinated in Autumn is deaths/ hospitalisations are a very small fraction of what they were (with no indication that this would significantly increase). Economy continues to be below where it could be and that knocks on to millions of peoples jobs, NHS funding in future, ability for Govt to justify foreign aid cuts etc etc

But absolutely agree wish the would mandate masks in public places.
 
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