thewanderer
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The government have zero control over the price of gas.Why wouldn’t it make a difference, are you saying the government would look to make profit?
The government have zero control over the price of gas.Why wouldn’t it make a difference, are you saying the government would look to make profit?
Really interesting. Was reading about the improvements in hydrogen electrolysis is happening way quicker than expected and efficiency is ahead of expectations too.Have a watch of this. It seems to be relatively simple technology and cheap to maintain once it’s installed. You can imagine new schools, hospitals and even housing projects having it under the foundations to supply cheap heat and electricity at peak times.
So you think the energy companies are selling at cost?No it really won't make a difference as you would still have to buy the gas.
But they would have a choice on what price to sell it to we consumers at so in that way they would have full control of the price.The government have zero control over the price of gas.
Sounds very promising. I also think Solar Film will take off in the not too distant future. It’s very lightweight and flexible unlike solar panels and can be put on just about anything like cars, buses, HGV, roofs, sides of buildings, headphones, speakers etc…Have a watch of this. It seems to be relatively simple technology and cheap to maintain once it’s installed. You can imagine new schools, hospitals and even housing projects having it under the foundations to supply cheap heat and electricity at peak times.
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given the week we have had politically with all the resignations, is there anyone there to make a decision?Did anybody listen to Martin Lewis talking about the negotiations with the energy companies?
He was saying that the government weren't involved because they haven't got their act together, they're basically not governing.
and that has risen to about £280 a yearCan the government do anything about Standing Charges? Even if you didn’t use any energy you would still be billed a daily standing charge.
Really can’t stress how much of a bad idea that is, ruining your credit rating will cost you significantly more in the long term than the prices we’re seeing nowplease check dontpay.uk.
collective action by the victims of corporate greed and a government that doesn't care about its people.
If we nationalised we wouldn't need to pay dividends to shareholders so that would help.We can't do much about reducing standing charges either, they cover the cost of new installations and maintaining the grid etc, and the cost of all of that has gone up due to inflation and lack of workers/ easy access of labour in those sectors.
If it was nationalised and we reduced standing charges, then that money would need to come from somewhere, so would likely come as additional tax (which is fine, if it's off the rich/ massive companies), or cuts to other public services like NHS, Schools, Highways, Councils or whatever. Obviously we all know who would take that hit in the current government, it would be the least well off, so they still end up paying either way. All of this is why we need those ***** out ASAP.
We can windfall tax the UK companies providing energy, but that would make them less competitive against those who aren't, and they also rely heavily on foreign imports which we have no price control over. I think we should still do this mind, and redistribute that to those who need it most, rather than using it to cut bills, but the Tory's won't do that. If you cut the bills across the board it's a tax cut to the big rich companies and people too.
Standing charges are also covering the cost of suppliers failing
That was the way it was pre Thatcher. We should be taking all essentials under national ownership.If we nationalised we wouldn't need to pay dividends to shareholders so that would help.
Why wouldn’t it make a difference, are you saying the government would look to make profit?
If we nationalised we wouldn't need to pay dividends to shareholders so that would help.
That’s a long reply to be way off the mark m.They make a profit with Network Rail, who are the most ridiculously inefficient/ incompetent company I often deal with. The public pays for those inefficiencies with the high ticket prices.
They would probably end up charging the same as standing charges won't change as they rely on the supply chain for installs, maintenance and labour (like my company provides), and the UK can't buy that whole sector out.
Then we also have the problem that we don't set the price of gas, largely as it's not ours, and even more so as it effectively goes to the highest bidder.
It would end up costing us the same, either in electric bills or tax, and these companies likely wouldn't have any profit if government ran, as it would likely become more inefficient than it already is, as we won't pay the price to get the best people running it. We would also have to buy these companies, out, which would cost an absolute fortune.
We need to not concentrate on the problem, we need to look at the cause, and that's where we get our energy from. We need to get away from importing, but it's not a short term fix. There really isn't a short term fix, other than subsidising the price, but there's no benefit to those worse off doing this, unless you fund it through taxing the most well off, which this government simply won't do.
Most of the new Tory candidates (who don't have a finance background) are already talking of slashing corporation tax to 15%, from 25%. Probably only Sunak understands why we can't do this, and hence why he's not going to do that if he gets PM.
They really should be dropping it to 20% for smaller companies (or keeping it the same) and hiking it to 30-35% for larger companies (even if only temporary), and cutting down on tax evasion. The latter is hard to do, but a small % turnover tax would help.
Have a watch of this. It seems to be relatively simple technology and cheap to maintain once it’s installed. You can imagine new schools, hospitals and even housing projects having it under the foundations to supply cheap heat and electricity at peak times.
That’s a long reply to be way off the mark m.
You only have to look across the channel to see what a government can do, even when they don’t own 100% of it
Most people/posts are asking for help. The government have it in their power to do so no matter the amount of paragraphs you writeWe're not France. Have a look how their rail system compares to ours for example, they had cheap high speed rail in the 80's, we're not getting there until 2030 (and ours is no faster, far more expensive to install and far more expensive tickets. They thought of the future with their rail, and energy, we didn't.
They have a massive Nuclear Power infrastructure, which generates 70% of their electricity, which they run relatively cheaply, where as here it's pretty much the most expensive source of energy, and only supplies about 15%.
What France can do now, is helped by what they did decades ago with their energy, like it is with their rail.
They're also the worlds largest net exporter of electricity, again because of the above, and they won't be exporting for the same rate that they're paying for it domestically. Effectively we and others will largely be covering the cost of their domestic increases.
My posts above are saying we should become self dependent on energy, i.e do what France did decades ago. We would need to do it with largely wind and solar though, as we're crap/ expensive at Nuclear and the public complain about them all too much, which is why projects drag out and costs go up.
Most people/posts are asking for help. The government have it in their power to do so no matter the amount of paragraphs you write