NFL draft starts tonight.

Yearbyred

Yearbyred

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Will be watching tonight even though my team doesn’t have a first round pick.

Who do you want your team to pick/who do you expect your team to pick?
 
My team Chicago Bears have the first pick after trading it with the Carolina Panthers. Hoping they get QB Caleb Williams.

Also got number 9 pick in first round draft so should be interesting to see who they get.
 
Colts - picking 15 - Probably taking a Wide Receiver like Brian Thomas Jr or maybe even TE Brock Bowers if he falls.

Would love to see them trade up to go get someone like Rome Odunze or in 'pipe-dream' land go bring Marvin Harrison Jr home. This is not usually in the Colts nature however and it would take the farm to get MHJ
 
I love the draft, the bargaining and manoeuvring that goes on.
The daft thing is, I know nothing about any of the players being selected. I've no idea who is good an who isn't, but it's still compelling watching.
Will record and watch tomorrow, so I'll avoid this thread until then....
 
Frozen Horse said:
I love the draft, the bargaining and manoeuvring that goes on.
The daft thing is, I know nothing about any of the players being selected. I've no idea who is good an who isn't, but it's still compelling watching.
Will record and watch tomorrow, so I'll avoid this thread until then....
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Totally agree, love to see the teams trading and trying to out manoeuvre each other.
 
Yearbyred said:
Think that’s almost a certainty.

What about at pick 9?
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Think Bears need a wide receiver so ideally would be Marvin Harrison Jr but think he will be snapped up before the 9th pick so prob a toss up between Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze.

Bears also got 75 and 122 in draft pick this year. First time in 40 odd years I think they have been able to pick 4.
 
Fat_Dragon said:
Think Bears need a wide receiver so ideally would be Marvin Harrison Jr but think he will be snapped up before the 9th pick so prob a toss up between Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze.

Bears also got 75 and 122 in draft pick this year. First time in 40 odd years I think they have been able to pick 4.
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That would be a great draft for the Bears assuming Williams pans out. I think Harrison will go at 4 or 5 but the other 2 WR’s are highly rated too.
 
Starbuck said:
I think the fact they can trade draft picks largely renders the whole thing a nonsense. Defeats the object really
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Why? It seems to work ok. Moving up the draft can be costly and trading a player from another team could be as well. Moving a few places higher might mean giving up multiple picks. It's a complicated process because there might only be 2 or 3 starting quality players in a position in the draft which means they are going to go early but there might be better players that go after them but are less in demand because there are more of them. The draft doesn't get picked according to player's ability, it gets picked by scarcity. The best kicker of all time could be in the draft but he's still not getting picked first (only 4 have ever gone in the 1st round). If your priority is a kicker it doesn't make sense to pick them in the 1st round so you trade away your pick for a couple of lower ranked picks to bolster your squad elsewhere. Similarly if the best player in the draft at your pick is a QB and you already have a QB that is going to be your 1st choice for a decade then it doesn't make sense to pick them.

It's like playing fantasy football and having a budget. You can spend it all on a few superstars and have no quality to go with them (aka the Bryan Robson approach) or you trade them so you can get a more balanced team. You can still only get 52 players into a squad. The draft only gives you first option to sign them. You might decide against it and they join free agency.

The NFL is rarely dominated by single teams over the long run so whatever they are doing works as a competition.
 
I understand there is still risk involved by trading your picks, but, its the feel of it I don't like. My understanding is that it prevents teams from dominating by sharing the opportunity to recruit the best young players. Like the principle, disappointed with how it works in practice.
For the record I am also in the camp of completely scrapping the loan system in football (soccer !!). I'm probably in a small minority there too !
 
Starbuck said:
I understand there is still risk involved by trading your picks, but, its the feel of it I don't like. My understanding is that it prevents teams from dominating by sharing the opportunity to recruit the best young players. Like the principle, disappointed with how it works in practice.
For the record I am also in the camp of completely scrapping the loan system in football (soccer !!). I'm probably in a small minority there too !
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The trades are even though because it's a closed system. You can't create additional picks or just buy all the picks. It's a trade. You have to give something up to get it. It isn't like the loan system where you can have certain teams just hoovering up all the best players.

There are 257 players available in this year's draft. Chicago have 1st pick (because they traded for it) and they have the 10th pick but they only have 4 in total because they have traded so many away. Some teams have 11. There is no guarantee the best players at the draft will have the best careers. They have the chance to pick first but they only have 4 of 257. The teams with 11 won't be getting first choice but they have 11 opportunities to find good players. The average NFL career is 3 years but that is heavily skewed because the majority of players won't ever play and the ones that do play for 10 years. In the later rounds you are picking quantity and hoping to find unrecognised quality so trading 1st round picks for later rounds is really just a numbers game. Some of the best players of all time have been drafted in later rounds (Brady was 6th round, 199th pick).

There is no way to monopolise the draft system like you can the loan system.
 
Nano said:
The trades are even though because it's a closed system. You can't create additional picks or just buy all the picks. It's a trade. You have to give something up to get it. It isn't like the loan system where you can have certain teams just hoovering up all the best players.
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Exactly. The team trading down will always believe they are getting the better of the deal, or they wouldn't do it.

I like that money doesn't come in to it: you can't buy someone's picks, you can only offer your own players or picks.
 
Not that I know of in the rules, but in practice it's self-limiting.

If you're giving up your best players for first round picks, you're almost certainly making you team worse, so no one would do it.

Nor do you never have enough later round picks to mean you can acquire too many 1st rounders.

I think 3 out of 32 first round picks is the most I've heard of.
 
Teams use a value rating points system when they are doing trades to evaluate if the trade is a good or bad “value” for them. So to move up significantly in the first round will cost you a lot of draft picks/players.


In theory you could get any number of first round picks in this years draft, but it would never happen as you would have to give up too many players and too much future draft capital to acquire them.
 
Well, it will be interesting to see if Caleb goes first anyway. I saw him play live in a game in November. His team lost and to be fair, on the night, the other team's QB was much better. I'm not sure if he will be in the draft tonight. Was QB at Oregon
 
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