Not getting rid of my 2.5 Litre Petrol

My dad has a 2 litre Skoda Octavia and it's just hit 165k. It absolutely flies through MOTs and only been in garages for breaks and tyres. Simply never goes wrong.

I simply can't see any Electric car doing that. Although he says he's going to leave it to me in his will.... No thanks😂
 
S7DiscoDown said:
My dad has a 2 litre Skoda Octavia and it's just hit 165k. It absolutely flies through MOTs and only been in garages for breaks and tyres. Simply never goes wrong.

I simply can't see any Electric car doing that. Although he says he's going to leave it to me in his will.... No thanks😂
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Can't you? I suggest you check out the Bjorn Nyland video where he is re United with his 300000 mile model S. I can't see a petrol motor doing that (diesel, yes, but I wouldn't want to own it)

Sorry you have all been lied to by the car industry gents but an electric cars motor will do hundreds of thousands of miles more than a petrol engine because its so simple and efficient. You'll get there, there are always a few hold outs who don't understand the future.
 
SmallTown said:
Can't you? I suggest you check out the Bjorn Nyland video where he is re United with his 300000 mile model S. I can't see a petrol motor doing that (diesel, yes, but I wouldn't want to own it)

Sorry you have all been lied to by the car industry gents but an electric cars motor will do hundreds of thousands of miles more than a petrol engine because its so simple and efficient. You'll get there, there are always a few hold outs who don't understand the future.
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Exactly this. This is Trigger's broom stuff. The ICE cars will go on for years but you'll replace all the main parts as they all have a lifespan.
 
downsides of an EV - constantly developing and evolving technology resulting in 2 years old cars being outdated, no long term strategy around serviceability and repair ability of older cars, a complete lack of third party service providers, hugely reliant on software (to a greater extent than ICE cars), very high initial purchase prices resulting in stupid high 2nd hand values for older cars that are outside the manufacturers warranty, the very real range anxiety, and a lack of a cohesive strategy around charging technology and infrastructure, and finally, battery technology that hasn't been around long enough to demonstrate durability and reliability.

Upsides, very very quick ( mine certainly is) quite cool, and the benefits for short journeys are undeniable.

I would have one as a company car (in fact this is my second EV company car) but there is no way I would buy one with my own money just yet.

The other thing we arent really discussing in any depth is that we are effectively swapping emissions at point of use (in towns and cities) for increased emissions from power stations, and given that more than 50% of Uk energy id fossil fuel derived, its not as green or as energy secure as we would like to believe.
 
Billy69_uk said:
downsides of an EV - constantly developing and evolving technology resulting in 2 years old cars being outdated, no long term strategy around serviceability and repair ability of older cars, a complete lack of third party service providers, hugely reliant on software (to a greater extent than ICE cars), very high initial purchase prices resulting in stupid high 2nd hand values for older cars that are outside the manufacturers warranty, the very real range anxiety, and a lack of a cohesive strategy around charging technology and infrastructure, and finally, battery technology that hasn't been around long enough to demonstrate durability and reliability.

Upsides, very very quick ( mine certainly is) quite cool, and the benefits for short journeys are undeniable.

I would have one as a company car (in fact this is my second EV company car) but there is no way I would buy one with my own money just yet.

The other thing we arent really discussing in any depth is that we are effectively swapping emissions at point of use (in towns and cities) for increased emissions from power stations, and given that more than 50% of Uk energy id fossil fuel derived, its not as green or as energy secure as we would like to believe.
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The last paragraph is the main thing for me but do you trade emissions on industrial estates for residential or urban environments.

We can hopefully change the way we generate power from other sources at the wholesale level. Once it goes to the consumer it can't be changed.
 
How exactly are people meant to switch to an EV if they don't have the ability to have a personal charging point at home? I mean the sheer amount of people who live in flats or terraced housing without private parking.

You simply can't run an EV based on petrol station and service station forecourts. It's not just availability but time it takes (don't say its quick at 30mins - hour).

I get the longterm plan is for everyone to own an EV. Yet how exactly are they planning to give everyone access to charging? I drive around 50 miles a day to work. So a little EV that I could plug in on an evening would probably be ideal. Yet I'm in a new (ish) built flat on an estate so no ability for a charger.

This is very much an issue in city's. So what's the absolute longterm strategy to get everyone in EVs?

I'm not knocking them. I've just said I'd have one. The point being its not as easy as saying 'get an EV' and save the environment.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
How exactly are people meant to switch to an EV if they don't have the ability to have a personal charging point at home? I mean the sheer amount of people who live in flats or terraced housing without private parking.

You simply can't run an EV based on petrol station and service station forecourts. It's not just availability but time it takes (don't say its quick at 30mins - hour).

I get the longterm plan is for everyone to own an EV. Yet how exactly are they planning to give everyone access to charging? I drive around 50 miles a day to work. So a little EV that I could plug in on an evening would probably be ideal. Yet I'm in a new (ish) built flat on an estate so no ability for a charger.

This is very much an issue in city's. So what's the absolute longterm strategy to get everyone in EVs?

I'm not knocking them. I've just said I'd have one. The point being its not as easy as saying 'get an EV' and save the environment.
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The thing is that it is a long term strategy.

They don't want everyone to get an EV straight away; if nothing else, they haven't decided on a taxation structure that will allow the Treasury to cop with the lessening of fuel duty revenues.

The infrastructure is clearly the biggest problem at the moment but that will improve. A lot of charging in London is done kerbside, rather than from homes, so that will help things. I'm sure they'll bring charging times right down.

The average mileage per car in 2019, so pre Covid was 7200 miles per year. That's maybe 30-40 charges a year at 30 minutes a time?
 
Billy69_uk said:
downsides of an EV - constantly developing and evolving technology resulting in 2 years old cars being outdated, no long term strategy around serviceability and repair ability of older cars, a complete lack of third party service providers, hugely reliant on software (to a greater extent than ICE cars), very high initial purchase prices resulting in stupid high 2nd hand values for older cars that are outside the manufacturers warranty, the very real range anxiety, and a lack of a cohesive strategy around charging technology and infrastructure, and finally, battery technology that hasn't been around long enough to demonstrate durability and reliability.

Upsides, very very quick ( mine certainly is) quite cool, and the benefits for short journeys are undeniable.

I would have one as a company car (in fact this is my second EV company car) but there is no way I would buy one with my own money just yet.

The other thing we arent really discussing in any depth is that we are effectively swapping emissions at point of use (in towns and cities) for increased emissions from power stations, and given that more than 50% of Uk energy id fossil fuel derived, its not as green or as energy secure as we would like to believe.
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Are you sure you have an EV? If so, congratulations you're the first EV driver I've ever known with range anxiety.

It's a concept invented by GM after their first EV failed and they wanted propaganda to keep selling ICE vehicles.

Not one EV owner, apart from yourself, has ever had it. It just isn't a thing. It's a lie made up by the people who want to keep selling oil burning cars. It's the EV drivers little secret
 
S7DiscoDown said:
How exactly are people meant to switch to an EV if they don't have the ability to have a personal charging point at home? I mean the sheer amount of people who live in flats or terraced housing without private parking.

You simply can't run an EV based on petrol station and service station forecourts. It's not just availability but time it takes (don't say its quick at 30mins - hour).

I get the longterm plan is for everyone to own an EV. Yet how exactly are they planning to give everyone access to charging? I drive around 50 miles a day to work. So a little EV that I could plug in on an evening would probably be ideal. Yet I'm in a new (ish) built flat on an estate so no ability for a charger.

This is very much an issue in city's. So what's the absolute longterm strategy to get everyone in EVs?

I'm not knocking them. I've just said I'd have one. The point being its not as easy as saying 'get an EV' and save the environment.
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Destination chargins mate. My charger in my apartment was broken for 4 months (it's a BP Pulse unit, if you're an EV driver you'll understand) and I had virtually no problems at all.

When I went to do the weekly shop I plugged it in or if I went to the local shopping centre, it has a supercharger.

The other issue, which does need addressing, is charging for on street parking. There are loads of ubitricity chargers in lamp posts near me but this needs a bigger roll out.
 
JustTheGent said:
Just to note, Bjorn Nyland's Tesla had done 350,000km which is 218,000m. He changed the battery at 53,000m. These batteries cost a fortune to replace. Over £10k.

insideevs.com

Bjørn Nyland Checks Old 2013 Tesla Model S Battery Degradation

Bjørn Nyland recently had an opportunity to once again test his old 2013 Tesla Model S P85 to see its range and battery capacity degradation.
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Musk said you can get one for $5000. I think your figures are outdated.

How are the electric motors? Still fine? Yes! Would you want a petrol engine that'd done 218000 miles?

Teslas also come with an 8 year 120000 mile warranty. I would like to see you get that from an equivalent ICE vehicle
 
SmallTown said:
Destination chargins mate. My charger in my apartment was broken for 4 months (it's a BP Pulse unit, if you're an EV driver you'll understand) and I had virtually no problems at all.

When I went to do the weekly shop I plugged it in or if I went to the local shopping centre, it has a supercharger.

The other issue, which does need addressing, is charging for on street parking. There are loads of ubitricity chargers in lamp posts near me but this needs a bigger roll out.
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I think also people don't realise that for most a quick top up is all that is needed most of the time. One of my colleagues has a 15 miles each way commute and our building has two charging points in the works car park. He usually tops up once a week for a couple of hours and that does him, fine. Nobody charges to 100% as the last part of the charging cycle is generally slower. The charger at work does approx 100 miles per hour when he uses it.
 
BoroMart said:
the world record for a tesla is 621,000 miles....are you planning on doing over 3mill miles in your car? :ROFLMAO:
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This is what people can't grasp. "Oh they won't last". Only a basic grasp of Engineering would tell you that a motor that is literally a lump of metal simply spinning round a magnet would have great longevity than the incredible complex turbo engines ICE vehicles have these days. Once people have owned EV for long enough this will also become fact. I but the FUD come up with some other way of trying to protect their oil burners.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I think also people don't realise that for most a quick top up is all that is needed most of the time. One of my colleagues has a 15 miles each way commute and our building has two charging points in the works car park. He usually tops up once a week for a couple of hours and that does him, fine. Nobody charges to 100% as the last part of the charging cycle is generally slower. The charger at work does approx 100 miles per hour when he uses it.
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It's hard isn't it? Some people want to resist so they'll come up with ludicrous arguments lie the OP. You're right though. Some people just don't understand that you refuel your car differently and they are scared of it. Education is needed.

It's funny how quickly you get used to it. I find it weird now that people will go out of their way, interrupt a journey, to pull in to a petrol station to refill their vehicle. It seems odd to not just refuel at wherever you're already going, be it work, home, or the shops.
 
Billy69_uk said:
downsides of an EV - constantly developing and evolving technology resulting in 2 years old cars being outdated, no long term strategy around serviceability and repair ability of older cars, a complete lack of third party service providers, hugely reliant on software (to a greater extent than ICE cars), very high initial purchase prices resulting in stupid high 2nd hand values for older cars that are outside the manufacturers warranty, the very real range anxiety, and a lack of a cohesive strategy around charging technology and infrastructure, and finally, battery technology that hasn't been around long enough to demonstrate durability and reliability.
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every car looks dated within a couple of years.

There are some long term strategies around EVs such as how to extract all the elements from a battery for re-use. Tesla are certainly leading the way in this.

Serviceability.....they barely need any

High initial prices...very true. But they have drastically reduced over the last 15 years and will continue to do so as every other tech has. 2nd hand cars are expensive purely due to supply and demand, that will also come down.

Range anxiety, meh, more charge points appearing all the time, efficiency improving too, it's an overstated issue.

Battery tech, is certainly something that needs improving, but it's better than the alternative of ICE tech
 
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