People knocking Teessiders for voting for Houchen.
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LessoftheLip
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Fook off then why don't you?
Somewhere there will be a more welcoming forum for you to post on I'm sure.
1finny
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He is a liar
He is corrupt
He has put £m of voters money in the hands of a couple of fiercely wealthy and corrupt Teesside wide boys
Andy Street - you could easily make a case for keeping him in the seat. The folk in the midlands saw the bigger picture.
Those who voted for Houchen are either stupid or don’t give a firk
That’s why they are getting hammered by those in the area who didn’t vote for him and those outside the area.
I’m travelling in Europe now and sometimes find myself apologising for the Brexit fiasco
When I’m back in the UK I’ll have to start apologising for the Tees Valley fiasco.
Shameful episode for the area
He is corrupt
He has put £m of voters money in the hands of a couple of fiercely wealthy and corrupt Teesside wide boys
Andy Street - you could easily make a case for keeping him in the seat. The folk in the midlands saw the bigger picture.
Those who voted for Houchen are either stupid or don’t give a firk
That’s why they are getting hammered by those in the area who didn’t vote for him and those outside the area.
I’m travelling in Europe now and sometimes find myself apologising for the Brexit fiasco
When I’m back in the UK I’ll have to start apologising for the Tees Valley fiasco.
Shameful episode for the area
Johnny Vincents Motorbike
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Ive never met anyone ever from Darlo or Pools who referenced or called themselves 'Teessiders' - ever.
as for the 'teesside' diaspora - they have every-right to comment and reference - its the same for every group of people the globe over, - the very idea of any rebuke to that position from the party of 'open comment and speech' is not quite so surprising.
as for the 'teesside' diaspora - they have every-right to comment and reference - its the same for every group of people the globe over, - the very idea of any rebuke to that position from the party of 'open comment and speech' is not quite so surprising.
I would also take issue over the suggestion that this argument in particular is essentially ideologically driven and or sour grapes from a largely left wing board. I don't think you'd have quite this level of debate if it had been down to two 'straight down the line' candidates.
The strength of feeling here isn't because Ben is a Tory. It's because he's incontrovertibly incompetent or corrupt.
FabioPorkpie
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Here pal, I’ve got some magic beans…..
I’m guessing you also think Trump is all about looking after the working classes, good ol Boris was unfairly treated and Nigel Farage has got your back?
What a wonderfully tolerant attitude
LessoftheLip
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Did you read his post because he really did invite that reply.
"Happy to receive to the grief for this post but could not give a flying fook about it"
Houchen was given funding from Johnson as Johnson prioritised Teesside as the typical red wall seats that he thought he had converted to toryism. In the new political landscape after the general election, Houchen and Teesside will be isolated. I'm sure Labour will conduct an independent investigation of Houchen through the NAO and not coke head Goves. It will be very interesting to see what happens.
h_m_boro
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First, we (just about) live in a democracy so people are free to vote for who they choose.
However, if people in an unbiased and reasonable manner read through the evidence presented by PE, YP BylineTimes etc and still concluded that Houchen has acted in the best interests of the Teesside public.......
There are a number of individuals, mates of Houchen, who have got VERY rich due to correct and proper procurement procedures not being followed; no tendering process; no accountability and transparency as to the shady dealings. And it's not just a single thing, it's multiple.
Absolutely no threat of legal action from him or his cronies against the articles highlighting the accusations against him.....surely some alarm bells should be going off in people's heads if these were libelous?
If everything was above board why did Gove not happily send in the NAO, as recommended, to clear up any "misunderstandings". A soft touch review by a favourable person who gave recommendations not enforceable actions?
Why have Labour openly stated that the NAO will conduct a full investigation as soon as they are in government - if there was nothing to see, why bother?
Sorry, but the same vein as the PPE VIP Fast Lane, millions of public £££ have been diverted to greedy individuals with no correct process followed.
And people are perfectly happy with this......then will moan like f*ck when they can't get a GP appointment, or their lovely ticked on Merc sustains damage going over a pothole, or the coppers don't arrive for 24hrs when their house is burgled......
However, if people in an unbiased and reasonable manner read through the evidence presented by PE, YP BylineTimes etc and still concluded that Houchen has acted in the best interests of the Teesside public.......
There are a number of individuals, mates of Houchen, who have got VERY rich due to correct and proper procurement procedures not being followed; no tendering process; no accountability and transparency as to the shady dealings. And it's not just a single thing, it's multiple.
Absolutely no threat of legal action from him or his cronies against the articles highlighting the accusations against him.....surely some alarm bells should be going off in people's heads if these were libelous?
If everything was above board why did Gove not happily send in the NAO, as recommended, to clear up any "misunderstandings". A soft touch review by a favourable person who gave recommendations not enforceable actions?
Why have Labour openly stated that the NAO will conduct a full investigation as soon as they are in government - if there was nothing to see, why bother?
Sorry, but the same vein as the PPE VIP Fast Lane, millions of public £££ have been diverted to greedy individuals with no correct process followed.
And people are perfectly happy with this......then will moan like f*ck when they can't get a GP appointment, or their lovely ticked on Merc sustains damage going over a pothole, or the coppers don't arrive for 24hrs when their house is burgled......
Merlin
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Conservative = BadAnybody knocking people for voting for Houchen (especially ex Teesside folk living outside the area) should look at the facts. I didn’t vote for him because I don’t vote for a party who are only interested in making money and looking after themselves. However I am now retired and you have to look at the Teessiders who are working age or the teenagers who are looking to work here in the future.
Teesside Airport is back. You might not think it is important but international businessman do. If you are trying to create jobs for the 21st Century you need to be able to fly people into Teesside, not Newcastle or Leeds Bradford. We had a record number of passengers in 2006 of 900,000 but instead of going upwards it went down under Peel. It is important.
As far as the steelworks are concerned they have gone. The site has now been cleared and it is a prime site for redevelopment. It has a river and carbon catchment and green energy companies etc are going to be built on the site. The Conservatives have also relocated a big treasury site out of London to Darlington. OK, the financial side is suspect but, if you are looking for a job, you are not bothered how the job is created.
Teesside was the first area to vote for a Metropolitan Mayor in 2017 under the Conservatives idea to try to get votes in the North. No other region was interested at the time. We needed it. That is why we got money for the last 7 years over Newcastle and Yorkshire who now, unsurprisingly, now want their share of the pie. We all know most of the money would have gone to Newcastle if they had applied for it in 2017.
Forget about the politics. Teesside will, hopefully, benefit because Houchen is staying in charge. At least it keeps the rest of the Country talking about Teesside. We are Teesside, an anomaly. We have only been here about 150 years built on iron and steel and ICI. We had people coming to work here from all over England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. If we had just gone with what the rest of the Country thought we would do then would have been ignored yet again. No one town in Teesside has City status. It will be interesting to see what happens when Labour get into Government this year but they will have to look after us now. We will not be ignored.
Labour = Good
Remember this and you’ll be fine
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ForssAwakens
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Opening post is Looking for a ton surely
Magicman70
Active member
"OK, the financials are a bit suspect " , but who cares about thatAnybody knocking people for voting for Houchen (especially ex Teesside folk living outside the area) should look at the facts. I didn’t vote for him because I don’t vote for a party who are only interested in making money and looking after themselves. However I am now retired and you have to look at the Teessiders who are working age or the teenagers who are looking to work here in the future.
Teesside Airport is back. You might not think it is important but international businessman do. If you are trying to create jobs for the 21st Century you need to be able to fly people into Teesside, not Newcastle or Leeds Bradford. We had a record number of passengers in 2006 of 900,000 but instead of going upwards it went down under Peel. It is important.
As far as the steelworks are concerned they have gone. The site has now been cleared and it is a prime site for redevelopment. It has a river and carbon catchment and green energy companies etc are going to be built on the site. The Conservatives have also relocated a big treasury site out of London to Darlington. OK, the financial side is suspect but, if you are looking for a job, you are not bothered how the job is created.
Teesside was the first area to vote for a Metropolitan Mayor in 2017 under the Conservatives idea to try to get votes in the North. No other region was interested at the time. We needed it. That is why we got money for the last 7 years over Newcastle and Yorkshire who now, unsurprisingly, now want their share of the pie. We all know most of the money would have gone to Newcastle if they had applied for it in 2017.
Forget about the politics. Teesside will, hopefully, benefit because Houchen is staying in charge. At least it keeps the rest of the Country talking about Teesside. We are Teesside, an anomaly. We have only been here about 150 years built on iron and steel and ICI. We had people coming to work here from all over England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. If we had just gone with what the rest of the Country thought we would do then would have been ignored yet again. No one town in Teesside has City status. It will be interesting to see what happens when Labour get into Government this year but they will have to look after us now. We will not be ignored.
. What next , large scale drug dealers are ok because they create hundreds of self employed entrepreneurs on the streets. (More than a little bit tongue in cheek there , before the usual suspects pile on ) 
bevoboro
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The man is unequivocally corrupt, self serving and only in it for his own prestige and advancement, just like the rest of his party. He's done nothing for the area that truly changes the lives of those most in need of the help.
I'm a postie and I deliver all over Middlesbrough, and I see nothing but social problems in deprived areas that Ben Houchen has done absolutely nothing to solve and never will because he has no interest in it. He is happy to dangle pointless baubles in front of gullible people though, he's great at announcing cloud cuckoo land projects that will never see the light of day and he's fabulous at standing there in a hard hat taking credit for the work of other people spitting out statistics and figures that have no basis in reality.
Meanwhile the people of Pallister Park, Park End, Thorntree and estates all over the region can look out of their windows at rampant and open drug use, violent crime, grinding poverty, antisocial behaviour, decay that never ends that our returning Tory metro mayor will do absolutely nothing to solve. "Thank god for that airport hey!" say the people that could never afford to actually use it!
When Labour get in at the next General Election I hope they do a full NAO audit and haul this absolute grifter and chancer over the coals over his dealings
I'm a postie and I deliver all over Middlesbrough, and I see nothing but social problems in deprived areas that Ben Houchen has done absolutely nothing to solve and never will because he has no interest in it. He is happy to dangle pointless baubles in front of gullible people though, he's great at announcing cloud cuckoo land projects that will never see the light of day and he's fabulous at standing there in a hard hat taking credit for the work of other people spitting out statistics and figures that have no basis in reality.
Meanwhile the people of Pallister Park, Park End, Thorntree and estates all over the region can look out of their windows at rampant and open drug use, violent crime, grinding poverty, antisocial behaviour, decay that never ends that our returning Tory metro mayor will do absolutely nothing to solve. "Thank god for that airport hey!" say the people that could never afford to actually use it!
When Labour get in at the next General Election I hope they do a full NAO audit and haul this absolute grifter and chancer over the coals over his dealings
starplayer
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He is probably spending more public money on funding legal bills for the 90% of teesworks he gave to 2 local people than he has spent on most other projects. To me his legacy will be the little blue bus that travels around the region picking people up.
On The Bob
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I caught up with some friends yesterday and the subject got onto the election - all voted for Houchen. I quickly realised I was in the minority at the table. To be honest, I couldn’t be bothered challenging it as it wasn’t worth my time and disruption to my breakfast.
What I quickly realised though is that to the every day voter, who aren’t hugely engaged in politics (which I would say is true of my mates in this instance) is they see the headlines in The Gazette and follow Houchens social media etc. (which he keeps completely locked down of any criticism by deleting posts and blocking people) and they buy it.
Likewise, a lot still feel really let down by Labour over the years and that criticism is shared amongst circles and is hard to shift. Some of it justified some of it just because it’s a narrative they’ve heard pushed by friends etc. and they’ve jumped on the bandwagon.
Houchen is a corrupt fat slug in my eyes, but the average every day voter isn’t buying copies of Private eye. They’re blind to some of the other stuff.
They see the airport, they see what’s happening at Tees works and they see those as really positive things.
I do think labelling people as thick or bad people for voting a particular way is counter productive. It just pushes people further back into their views.
That said, my mates voted Houchen for what they see as “delivery” of getting things done - they read the headlines. They don’t necessarily scrutinise the finer detail / reality of what’s actually happening. I don’t see many of them voting Tories at the next election either. It was a vote for Houchen, nothing more.
They’re living in echo chambers - the same as the left (myself included at times). How you break that, I’m not too sure. People seem to become more tribal as time goes on and it’s got to the point where I find it a waste of time debating these things with friends.
What I quickly realised though is that to the every day voter, who aren’t hugely engaged in politics (which I would say is true of my mates in this instance) is they see the headlines in The Gazette and follow Houchens social media etc. (which he keeps completely locked down of any criticism by deleting posts and blocking people) and they buy it.
Likewise, a lot still feel really let down by Labour over the years and that criticism is shared amongst circles and is hard to shift. Some of it justified some of it just because it’s a narrative they’ve heard pushed by friends etc. and they’ve jumped on the bandwagon.
Houchen is a corrupt fat slug in my eyes, but the average every day voter isn’t buying copies of Private eye. They’re blind to some of the other stuff.
They see the airport, they see what’s happening at Tees works and they see those as really positive things.
I do think labelling people as thick or bad people for voting a particular way is counter productive. It just pushes people further back into their views.
That said, my mates voted Houchen for what they see as “delivery” of getting things done - they read the headlines. They don’t necessarily scrutinise the finer detail / reality of what’s actually happening. I don’t see many of them voting Tories at the next election either. It was a vote for Houchen, nothing more.
They’re living in echo chambers - the same as the left (myself included at times). How you break that, I’m not too sure. People seem to become more tribal as time goes on and it’s got to the point where I find it a waste of time debating these things with friends.
Decent_Left
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Board owners actually and on that basis can do whatever the feck they like with it. In many respects a kind of mini TVDC fiefdom, but with genuine personal peril if it all went t*ts up
The fact they dont says more about them than any toys getting chucked out of the pram incidents.
I remember when it was all fields around here as well, and its the same as it ever was. Its almost as if the digital spawn attitude of the original fanzine and the reasons why they sprung into life and the folk they attracted bitd are just as relevant now as they were then.
Piccadilly Day Tripper
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snowflake.