Potential Signings

Unless anyone leaves, then I don't think that we will see many new arrivals. This Rotherham Midfielder rumour makes sense, as we cannot rely on Howson forever.

I would not be surprised to see some offers coming to take McNair off of our hands. The though of letting him go last season would be laughable, but things have changed. Of course, we cannot rely on the 1st choioe defence staying fit.
 
parmoboy said:
I'd be happy if we only made one or two additions to the squad. Maybe Carrick could use his Utd links and we could look into bringing in couple of Utd youngsters until the end of the season. They must have some talent in their U23s.
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I've started to wonder if the the talented youngster on loan is really an effective way to proceed.

Even if they have talent, and go on to prove it later in the their careers (as Nmetcha and Balogan are arguably doing), it's no guarantee that they'll do it for us, just because it's a lower level than their parent club.

If they are successful, we're not keeping them. Their parent club will want them back, so it doesn't contribute to building a team.

Can it give us a short term boost in the a promotion race? Well, sometimes, yes. However, if that's what you're looking for, I think you're better off bringing in a veteran, well-versed in the arts of getting the job done, which is what these loaned-youngsters are actually here to learn.

Would we have made it over the line in '98 if we'd signed a talented youngster on loan, rather than Andy Townsend?
 
Frozen Horse said:
I've started to wonder if the the talented youngster on loan is really an effective way to proceed.

Even if they have talent, and go on to prove it later in the their careers (as Nmetcha and Balogan are arguably doing), it's no guarantee that they'll do it for us, just because it's a lower level than their parent club.
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I think a talented youngster could be the icing on the cake, our problem has been expecting them to be the entire cake, and the answer to all our problems.
 
Billy69_uk said:
I think a talented youngster could be the icing on the cake, our problem has been expecting them to be the entire cake, and the answer to all our problems.
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When you say icing on the cake, I immediately think you're talking about an attacking flair player. Fair enough, that's rarely a bad thing. However, it's not what is needed in all situations, and I'd say again that goalscoring isn't our problem: keeping them out is.

For defensive and midfield anchor positions, I'd still say we're better off with a mouldy oldy on a 6 month contract than a bright young thing. even attacking, if a veteran penalty box poacher became available, I'd probably prefer him to a kid to bring on for the last 15.

I do agree about that they shouldn't be the cake though; where are the loanees in the top scorers list? I think Ellis Simms was the top scoring on loan player (7 goals), with 19 players scoring more than him.
 
Depends on how experienced they are. Bamford and Giles both had plenty of loan experience before us. Balogun and Nmecha were on their first loan. An 18 year old kid who has basically never played senior football before is exactly the wrong person in January where you need someone to make an immediate impact.
 
Bruce said:
Depends on how experienced they are. Bamford and Giles both had plenty of loan experience before us. Balogun and Nmecha were on their first loan. An 18 year old kid who has basically never played senior football before is exactly the wrong person in January where you need someone to make an immediate impact.
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Fair comment: Bamford had had a successful year in league 1, and half a season in the championship before joining us. I think he was 21 by that time too.
 
Barlaser for central midfield if we can agree a deal (500-750k) and a wide right attacker/forward if possible. We do have Mowatt as cover in MF and Paddy at a push.
 
Bruce said:
Depends on how experienced they are. Bamford and Giles both had plenty of loan experience before us. Balogun and Nmecha were on their first loan. An 18 year old kid who has basically never played senior football before is exactly the wrong person in January where you need someone to make an immediate impact.
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Dan Barlaser ticks all the boxes for me
experienced, talented, local, played with existing players

as far as a replacement for Rodrigo Muniz goes I’d avoid Cameron Archer, Ellis Simms

Ross Stewart would be a canny addition 26yo with three seasons at Sunderland.. just a short trip down the road bringing in decent numbers for a small fee

the left sided attacker I’d try and go for Ben Brereton Diaz over a Man Utd loan player.. easier said than done but I think he would be cheaper and more effective than Victor Gyökeres.

Three or four players that could replace fringe players and bring the group closer in with shared experiences and shared game time.
 
Is there any possibility we could get James Garner on loan? He’s barely featured for a struggling Everton, and Carrick will know all about him, probably have a direct contact as well.

I would love to see us try and get Elanga on loan as well but that would take some persuasion.
 
newyddion said:
Warnock’s woes were more down to the injuries to Fry and Tavernier our squad was paper thin, yes our gambles with Bolasie and NML didn’t pay off.. but I think we would have needed them to win the playoffs.

Wilder’s man management was pure pish.. covered up by Peltier and Bamba and as much as I’d have kept Hernandez over Connolly it wouldn’t have changed what unfolded.

No gambles on drug addicts or pish
heads or pally fanny connoisseurs.. and we should be ok

I’ve said before 3 or 4 players to replace fringe players will see us right and I think bringing in players known to lads in our squad will help.

Dan Barlaser to replace Massimo Luongo has played with Giles and Crooks for Rotherham

Jan Paul Van Hecke (if Paddy McNair leaves) has played with Lenihan and Giles at Blackburn.

Ben Brereton Diaz (if Rodrigo Muniz is recalled) is ex Man Utd academy, can play on the left and has played with Lenihan, Giles & Van Hecke.

Nice little promotion graft..
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I felt it was a mistake to sign Bolasie, NML and Kebano, as Warnock spent the remainder of the season looking for a way of accommodating them all into the side. We only needed to sign one of them.

I can't remember Fry being injured but I also can't remember us signing a CB at the time but I could have gotten that wrong.

If we genuinely bring in players who come in as fringe players to begin with, with the plan being that they have to earn their place in the side, then I could accept that. What I don't want to happen is for players to come in and be thrown straight into the side, which could potentially unsettle players. It happened last season under Wilder, when he threw Connolly straight into the team in place of Watmore.
 
newyddion said:
Dan Barlaser ticks all the boxes for me
experienced, talented, local, played with existing players

as far as a replacement for Rodrigo Muniz goes I’d avoid Cameron Archer, Ellis Simms

Ross Stewart would be a canny addition 26yo with three seasons at Sunderland.. just a short trip down the road bringing in decent numbers for a small fee

the left sided attacker I’d try and go for Ben Brereton Diaz over a Man Utd loan player.. easier said than done but I think he would be cheaper and more effective than Victor Gyökeres.

Three or four players that could replace fringe players and bring the group closer in with shared experiences and shared game time.
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Think Diaz's next stop will be the prem.

Don't they want £10m and aren't Everton interested?

At 23 and with his record I'm sure we'd be interested if it was possible. I'd be very surprised if he moves to another championship side though, the owners seem happy to let his contract expire unless someone offers daft money. Which I don't think we will.
 
newyddion said:
Dan Barlaser ticks all the boxes for me
experienced, talented, local, played with existing players

as far as a replacement for Rodrigo Muniz goes I’d avoid Cameron Archer, Ellis Simms

Ross Stewart would be a canny addition 26yo with three seasons at Sunderland.. just a short trip down the road bringing in decent numbers for a small fee

the left sided attacker I’d try and go for Ben Brereton Diaz over a Man Utd loan player.. easier said than done but I think he would be cheaper and more effective than Victor Gyökeres.

Three or four players that could replace fringe players and bring the group closer in with shared experiences and shared game time.
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Thoughts on all this ballox surrounding Chuba?
Reporters gaggling about Southampton, Everton++++
We have a year extention option.
Hope he tells the sniffers to foxtrot oscar.
Have the feeling Michael Carrick wont want to give away our best players.(y)
 
parmoboy said:
I felt it was a mistake to sign Bolasie, NML and Kebano, as Warnock spent the remainder of the season looking for a way of accommodating them all into the side. We only needed to sign one of them.

I can't remember Fry being injured but I also can't remember us signing a CB at the time but I could have gotten that wrong.

If we genuinely bring in players who come in as fringe players to begin with, with the plan being that they have to earn their place in the side, then I could accept that. What I don't want to happen is for players to come in and be thrown straight into the side, which could potentially unsettle players. It happened last season under Wilder, when he threw Connolly straight into the team in place of Watmore.
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Barlaser would be a better fit than Luongo.. plus if Crooks is our new number 9 we’re even lighter in midfield.
 
r00fie1 said:
Thoughts on all this ballox surrounding Chuba?
Reporters gaggling about Southampton, Everton++++
We have a year extention option.
Hope he tells the sniffers to foxtrot oscar.
Have the feeling Michael Carrick wont want to give away our best players.(y)
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Chuba will want to stay, prem clubs won’t take the risk. I can see a bit of a striker merry go round including Simms, Stewart, Muniz, Archer, Yates, Khadra, Gyökeres, Brereton Diaz, Surridge and Clarke-Harris..
 
Frozen Horse said:
I do agree about that they shouldn't be the cake though; where are the loanees in the top scorers list? I think Ellis Simms was the top scoring on loan player (7 goals), with 19 players scoring more than him.
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Where are they in the assist list?

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