Priority points system

Nano said:
Now we're getting somewhere.

What happens if the next match and the one after that are also only 500 tickets? You have 1500 of the most dedicated fans but the 500 winners of the 1st lottery for tickets are guaranteed to win the next 2. The other 1000 don't get a sniff. What happens if that is the case for an entire season? Would we still think the priority system is the best possible system? 500 people probably do. They've been to every match home and away so deserve to go to them all after all.
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I dont understand your reasoning but thats maybe me. Those 500 arent guaranteed to win the next lot of tickets, thats not how it works.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Those wanting to go ask to be in the ballot, pretty straight forward.
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Another level of un-necessary administration then which undoubtedly will end in someone saying they weren't told about it.

When the Priority points system was announced I was very much against it but having seen it in action it I'm in favour of it. I'm very much in favour of those that go away the most being rewarded.
 
shaun71 said:
I dont understand your reasoning but thats maybe me. Those 500 arent guaranteed to win the next lot of tickets, thats not how it works.
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They are guaranteed because they have the most points. And the week after they have more and then more. They will never be surpassed and they will never lose out. Until we get an allocation below 500. The people that were 1st to be awarded a ticket will forever be at the front of the queue.

This is obviously hypothetical but you have to look at the extreme cases to see if a system works. A ballot for all season ticket holders is as fair when there is an allocation of 1 as when there is an allocation of 10,000. A priority system is less fair as allocations reduce.
 
Nano said:
They are guaranteed because they have the most points. And the week after they have more and then more. They will never be surpassed and they will never lose out. Until we get an allocation below 500. The people that were 1st to be awarded a ticket will forever be at the front of the queue.

This is obviously hypothetical but you have to look at the extreme cases to see if a system works. A ballot for all season ticket holders is as fair when there is an allocation of 1 as when there is an allocation of 10,000. A priority system is less fair as allocations reduce.
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They don't though.

If what you say happens, then the 500 tickets go to the 1,500 season card holders who qualify, then next time, it will go to the same 1,500....so those 500 tickets won't necessarily go to the same 500 card holders who got them first time around.

The qualification of tickets won't just keep going up by 2 points per away game neither....they've never once done this and I highly doubt that they will.

The start of the season the away tickets went on sale to 140+....meaning anyone who had a ticket for 2 consecutive seasons qualified, regardless of whether they attended an away game (or home cup game) in that time.

Then only recently has this been bumped to 160+ for high in demand tickets....so therefore, those on 140/150 at the start of the season could quite easily have made that jump to 160 if they wanted to and attended enough away games.

And they would've rightly been rewarded with the chance of a high in demand ticket ahead of others who haven't amassed that amount of points.

It's as fair as you're going to get. And it's not a closed shop like other schemes out there.
 
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Marvanelli said:
They don't though.

If what you say happens, then the 500 tickets go to the 1,500 season card holders who qualify, then next time, it will go to the same 1,500....so those 500 tickets won't necessarily go to the same 500 card holders who got them first time around.

The qualification of tickets won't just keep going up by 2 points per away game neither....they've never once done this and I highly doubt that they will.

The start of the season the away tickets went on sale to 140+....meaning anyone who had a ticket for 2 consecutive seasons qualified, regardless of whether they attended an away game (or home cup game) in that time.

Then only recently has this been bumped to 160+ for high in demand tickets....so therefore, those on 140/150 at the start of the season could quite easily have made that jump to 160 if they wanted to and attended enough away games.

And they would've rightly been rewarded with the chance of a high in demand ticket ahead of others who haven't amassed that amount of points.

It's as fair as you're going to get. And it's not a closed shop like other schemes out there.
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And its a two season scheme so points will drop off for a lot of people.
 
Nano said:
They are guaranteed because they have the most points. And the week after they have more and then more. They will never be surpassed and they will never lose out. Until we get an allocation below 500. The people that were 1st to be awarded a ticket will forever be at the front of the queue.

This is obviously hypothetical but you have to look at the extreme cases to see if a system works. A ballot for all season ticket holders is as fair when there is an allocation of 1 as when there is an allocation of 10,000. A priority system is less fair as allocations reduce.
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Thats not right though. You get 3 points for buying an away ticket. Those hypothetically on 140 points will move onto 143. If the next game there is only 500 tickets, they will still be in the same boat as those who have 140 (if 140 is the bench mark for first priority). Everyone has their own views, but I find it unfair someone who hasnt been to a game for whatever reason, can get the same priority as someone who goes week in week out.
 
TeaCider said:
They haven't earned the right though.

If they had, they'd have the points to buy a ticket for themselves already.

Despite what you seem to think, the primary purpose of a season ticket is not for tickets to away matches.
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InglebyUTB said:
Agreed. Everyone then gets the same opportunity.
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So on that basis ,let's say we get promoted aload of new ST holders ie one season wonders will get the same chance on away tickets as a gold ST holder who's be there from the beginning.
That's equally unfair
 
borgelite said:
So on that basis ,let's say we get promoted aload of new ST holders ie one season wonders will get the same chance on away tickets as a gold ST holder who's be there from the beginning.
That's equally unfair
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Gold season ticket holders start off with more points to begin with.
I expect they'll alter the bandings for the second season as there's actually been time for people to accumulate points.
 
shaun71 said:
Thats not right though. You get 3 points for buying an away ticket. Those hypothetically on 140 points will move onto 143. If the next game there is only 500 tickets, they will still be in the same boat as those who have 140 (if 140 is the bench mark for first priority). Everyone has their own views, but I find it unfair someone who hasnt been to a game for whatever reason, can get the same priority as someone who goes week in week out.
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And if the benchmark isn't 140 but is now 141, to allow the most loyal and deserving to get their chance first? Is that fair?

Even if it was first come first served for the 1500 people 3 games in a row then is it fair there is a chance that the same 500 get them every time so when the points are next revised for the following game with only 500 there will be some with 149, some with 146, some with 143 and some with 140. They all had the same opportunity but some will now find themselves in a different bracket. No longer in the superfan club. Now those with 143 or 140 don't even get the opportunity. They will literally never have another opportunity when we get an allocation of 500.

This is all hypothetical but potentially realistic, adjusting for the numbers.

A priority points system is just a way for a very small minority of fans to always get their own way because they think they are more deserving than others. It is nothing to do with fairness.
 
Nano said:
And if the benchmark isn't 140 but is now 141, to allow the most loyal and deserving to get their chance first? Is that fair?

Even if it was first come first served for the 1500 people 3 games in a row then is it fair there is a chance that the same 500 get them every time so when the points are next revised for the following game with only 500 there will be some with 149, some with 146, some with 143 and some with 140. They all had the same opportunity but some will now find themselves in a different bracket. No longer in the superfan club. Now those with 143 or 140 don't even get the opportunity. They will literally never have another opportunity when we get an allocation of 500.

This is all hypothetical but potentially realistic, adjusting for the numbers.

A priority points system is just a way for a very small minority of fans to always get their own way because they think they are more deserving than others. It is nothing to do with fairness.
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Again we all have our views. For me it worked perfectly in this instance and all done and dusted in 24 hours.
 
Nano said:
And if the benchmark isn't 140 but is now 141, to allow the most loyal and deserving to get their chance first? Is that fair?

Even if it was first come first served for the 1500 people 3 games in a row then is it fair there is a chance that the same 500 get them every time so when the points are next revised for the following game with only 500 there will be some with 149, some with 146, some with 143 and some with 140. They all had the same opportunity but some will now find themselves in a different bracket. No longer in the superfan club. Now those with 143 or 140 don't even get the opportunity. They will literally never have another opportunity when we get an allocation of 500.

This is all hypothetical but potentially realistic, adjusting for the numbers.

A priority points system is just a way for a very small minority of fans to always get their own way because they think they are more deserving than others. It is nothing to do with fairness.
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But surely the number of people who go to every single away game will be in the dozens?

If people miss a few they'll drop down the pecking order.
 
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