Real Madrid v Manchester City

Who do you want to win the tie?

  • Real Madrid

  • Manchester City

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atypical_boro said:
No one else has said “childish” or “churlish”, so I just wanted you to explain that. And why you didn’t use those terms towards Otto.

More than happy to debate it using non-inflammatory language, if you are.

So as I say, what is “childish” about my opinion?
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The childish part is saying City are a team hosted in Manchester but they don’t feel remotely “English”. I would expect a school kid to put that kind of argument up, not an adult.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
The childish part is saying City are a team hosted in Manchester but they don’t feel remotely “English”. I would expect a school kid to put that kind of argument up, not an adult.
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It’s not an “argument”, it’s a feeling I get from a football club, in a city in which I live. It’s not something I expect others to agree with if they don’t get the same feeling.

We view the world very differently Norm, football in particular, I’m sure for all sorts of complex and boring reasons. I’m totally comfortable with that and prefer to try and respectfully disagree with people, much like you did when replying to Otto.
 
atypical_boro said:
Ok. So it’s Abu Dhabi v USA/Spanish monarchy. As I said above, I’m none of these nationalities, so I will go with the regime that I think has the least oppressive laws.
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State sponsored torture? Tens of thousands of executions? Racially motivated police murders? Illegal wars that have killed hundreds of thousands civilians? The orange fella? Gun laws?
I'm just playing devil's advocate really, but I don't think the argument "don't support them they get money from a country that does bad things" works really.
 
The Card Cheat said:
State sponsored torture? Tens of thousands of executions? Racially motivated police murders? Illegal wars that have killed hundreds of thousands civilians? The orange fella? Gun laws?
I'm just playing devil's advocate really, but I don't think the argument "don't support them they get money from a country that does bad things" works really.
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I would say more of City’s success is down to corrupt funds than Real’s.

Even if we agree that they’re as bad as each other, you have to pick a team don’t you. I’m certainly not suggesting I love Real Madrid.
 
Every single time a Madrid player gets fouled - even before they've finished rolling around - they're waving imaginary cards around looking to get the Man City players booked
 
atypical_boro said:
I would say more of City’s success is down to corrupt funds than Real’s.

Even if we agree that they’re as bad as each other, you have to pick a team don’t you. I’m certainly not suggesting I love Real Madrid.
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SPAIN'S government has been found guilty of illegally funding Real Madrid and Barcelona.

The European Commission has ruled Spain provided state-funding to help the clubs gain an unfair advantage over their rivals.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
SPAIN'S government has been found guilty of illegally funding Real Madrid and Barcelona.

The European Commission has ruled Spain provided state-funding to help the clubs gain an unfair advantage over their rivals.
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I know. The Spanish monarchy and government is way more progressive than the ruling family of Abu Dhabi, so as far as corruption goes they are the lesser of two evils to me. Helping a football club gain an advantage is not on the same scale as maintaining that homosexuality should be illegal (and punishable by death).

Just my opinion Norm, I have never been endeared by Man City on any level. I hope you can understand this even if you don’t agree. I also don’t like Chelsea, for other reasons, and a few other clubs.
 
A good result for City and everything still to play for. Real Madrid are a dangerous team and will be dangerous playing counter attacking football.
 
Have never seen so many foul throws go unpunished
Carvahal must have taken 6 with his back foot a yard in the air.
Other players as well
Referee and linesmen abysmal
Was hoping they scored from one then VAR went back and disallowed it for foul throw
 
atypical_boro said:
Fully agree. I haven’t cared about English clubs winning the CL since Liverpool won it in 2005, and even then it was largely just cos they were the underdog.

I also don’t really understand the take that Man City are this plucky little underdog who’ve been given a load of money and it’s a big statement to football if they win. To me it’s more like a big statement from some messed up and backward Middle Eastern states that they can buy whatever they want if they win the CL.

I want Madrid to win, at least they have what they have for mostly footballing reasons (14 CL titles and counting) and then the Milan club to win the final.
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For me it’s because this is want FIFA/UEFA/PL wanted, they wanted the product to get huge and wanted football to be awash with money, the trouble is when they thought this was a good idea they assumed the English team from the north west that would dominate would not the blue half of it and now I’m they’ve opened the bottle the genie cannot be put back in.

Long live City and their billions!!!!
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
For me it’s because this is want FIFA/UEFA/PL wanted, they wanted the product to get huge and wanted football to be awash with money, the trouble is when they thought this was a good idea they assumed the English team from the north west that would dominate would not the blue half of it and now I’m they’ve opened the bottle the genie cannot be put back in.

Long live City and their billions!!!!
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Hmmm. Ok, well my own opinions are more driven by cynicism of Middle Eastern oil states and their motives than cynicism of the motives of football authorities. I do see them as the worst of the two evils, by quite a big distance. I think the idea that those states can buy whatever they want is deeply concerning.

But as I say, I will respectfully disagree with those whose cynicism lies more with UEFA etc, cos they love Real Madrid.

How do you feel about PSG and Newcastle?
 
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