RIP the Duke of Edinburgh

BoroMart said:
free country mate, but you are welcome to keep your thoughts to yourself too.

I've given a balanced view, I feel empathy for the family, they're still people. I respect everyone's right to feel grief if they choose, but I won't accept the whitewashing of him as some saintly human by the media. He didn't make gaffs, he repeatedly said racist and misogynistic things right through his life. With the evidence out there that seems a good balanced view. I'm not buying into the 'cancel culture' of his character as being saintly.
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I wouldn't argue with that, but like I have said, there is a time and a place for this and I don't think this thread is the right place.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I wouldn't argue with that, but like I have said, there is a time and a place for this and I don't think this thread is the right place.
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Now is as good a time as any other mate, it'll be the same when the queen goes. There will be non stop fawning over her and any questions about the validity of the monarchy will be talked down as 'not now it's the wrong time'.

When someone has gone is exactly the right time to review their contribution to the world, warts and all. None of us on here knew him personally. If someone was mates with him, I'd be far more reserved in my posts. There have been many celebrities who have died and been immediately vilified on here far worse than anything levelled at Philip on this thread.
 
BoroMart said:
Now is as good a time as any other mate, it'll be the same when the queen goes. There will be non stop fawning over her and any questions about the validity of the monarchy will be talked down as 'not now it's the wrong time'.

When someone has gone is exactly the right time to review their contribution to the world, warts and all. None of us on here knew him personally. If someone was mates with him, I'd be far more reserved in my posts. There have been many celebrities who have died and been immediately vilified on here far worse than anything levelled at Philip on this thread.
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Remember you pretending to be outraged that Prince Charles visited his dying father in hospital, and how bad it made you look?

You're doing it again.
 
TeaCider said:
Remember you pretending to be outraged that Prince Charles visited his dying father in hospital, and how bad it made you look?

You're doing it again.
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I wasn't outraged, or pretending thanks. I was fairly commenting on the fact he was visiting him when others had not been allowed and was met with "he's hours from death", he wasn't.
 
BoroMart said:
I wasn't outraged, or pretending thanks. I was fairly commenting on the fact he was visiting him when others had not been allowed and was met with "he's hours from death", he wasn't.
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I visited my dying dad in hospital last April, during lockdown, he died at home in May.

It's very likely he was sent home to more comfortable settings.
 
Prince Phillip lived a life of duty and service , he was a philanthropist and did great work, helping many young people prepare for life through the Duke of Edinburgh scheme, he overcame tremendous tragedy in early life, I don’t think anybody could say a bad word about him.....RIP to a loyal servant of the commonwealth.
 
TeaCider said:
I visited my dying dad in hospital last April, during lockdown, he died at home in May.

It's very likely he was sent home to more comfortable settings.
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No it doesn't outrage me (your pre-edit comment). I think everyone should, and not just the elite, sorry for your loss
 
BoroMart said:
So what you are saying is you want an echo chamber of your views and you are prepared to police any opposing ones?
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No not at all, I have said I agree with some of what you are saying but I just feel you and a few others have been disrespectful towards his loss.

Maybe you don’t see it that way, many of us do.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
No not at all, I have said I agree with some of what you are saying but I just feel you and a few others have been disrespectful towards his loss.

Maybe you don’t see it that way, many of us do.
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some do, some don't, such is life. I find the idea of monarchic power disrespectful to the public, some don't. It'd be really boring around here if we all had the same opinions.
 
BoroMart said:
some do, some don't, such is life. I find the idea of monarchic power disrespectful to the public, some don't. It'd be really boring around here if we all had the same opinions.
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This thread is entitled RIP the Duke of Edinburgh, can’t you just put your hatred of the Royal Family aside for one day, this is about respect for an individual who was a remarkable man in his own right.
 
BoroMart said:
some do, some don't, such is life. I find the idea of monarchic power disrespectful to the public, some don't. It'd be really boring around here if we all had the same opinions.
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It isn't about having the same opinions, it is about being able to show respect for a man who who passed away. You have let your hatred of the monarchy cloud your judgement and for me that is a dangerous place you find yourself in.

I wonder what happened in your life to make you so bitter!
 
Norman_Conquest said:
It isn't about having the same opinions, it is about being able to show respect for a man who who passed away. You have let your hatred of the monarchy cloud your judgement and for me that is a dangerous place you find yourself in.

I wonder what happened in your life to make you so bitter!
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Sorry, I don't like racists, and I don't like it being whitewashed as 'just a gaff'. I grew up in an oppressed part of the country, with little chance for most to get out, I was a product of my upbringing. Seeing inherent wealth and power for a handful of people while people around me lived on hand outs, grips my ****.

You might think that's fine. You might think paying the equivalent of conservatively 20billion in my life to a single family while others go through a life with no opportunity is something to cherish and cheer, I don't. You might think repeated casual racism is just a gaff. You might think that allowing a family unfettered and unaccountable access to change our laws is democratic, I don't. The only difference between what they do and mafioso is that they were able to exclude their activity from being unlawful.

So am I bitter, too bloody right. You wonder what has happened in my life to make me bitter, I wonder how much of your life you have lived with your eyes closed misunderstanding all you see.

EDIT: I mistyped it's TWENTY billion
 
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BoroMart said:
Sorry, I don't like racists, and I don't like it being whitewashed as 'just a gaff'. I grew up in an oppressed part of the country, with little chance for most to get out, I was a product of my upbringing. Seeing inherent wealth and power for a handful of people while people around me lived on hand outs, grips my ****.

You might think that's fine. You might think paying the equivalent of conservatively 2billion in my life to a single family while others go through a life with no opportunity is something to cherish and cheer, I don't. You might think repeated casual racism is just a gaff. You might think that allowing a family unfettered and unaccountable access to change our laws is democratic, I don't. The only difference between what they do and mafioso is that they were able to exclude their activity from being unlawful.

So am I bitter, too bloody right. You wonder what has happened in my life to make me bitter, I wonder how much of your life you have lived with your eyes closed misunderstanding all you see.
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Top Lennoning!
 
All that bitterness isn't good for you and I am not a monacist either. When liz passes I think it will definitely be time to hop on on a plane abroad to escape the UK.
 
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