Roadmap may be affected - Indian variant

[atypical_boro]

It's always made sense to me. Quite a few countries in the far East use regional lockdowns to enforce rules. Even Australia did it with Victoria at one point. I don't see why, for example, the people of Cornwall should have to suffer a lockdown to control a spike in London and the north west

Australia is a continent, split into six extremely large states. With vastly desolate areas between most administrative borders.

UK is a small island, no county is more than about ten miles from an administrative border.

 

[Laughing]

But he can't police it if a fair percentage ignore it

The covid bill allows Johnson to steal our money. Its not about control its about greed

 

[SmallTown]

The people of the town in lockdown will just drive over to the next town/county to use pubs/restaurants etc. Almost impossible to enforce it

This felt inevitable as you could still fly from India just a few weeks ago, government clearly havent learned any lessons in the last year.

That's the thing. It's a possible thing to do. As long as we all play the game properly.

 

[JM14]

That's the thing. It's a possible thing to do. As long as we all play the game properly.

In theory its a logical idea, but the last year has shown people are unwilling to play the game at all meaning the rest of us suffer

 

[Frozen Horse]

If things are relaxed in June, there’ll be some level of restrictions back in place before the year is out.

I've often wondered where we would be by now if we had not eased lockdown last Summer.

I think we would probably be in exactly the same position; there would still have been the big spike in Winter.

There may well be some restrictions imposed by the end of the year, but will they be any different if we we don't relax rules in June?

 

[Johnny Vincents Motorbike]

the pandemic will not be over until the poorest and most needy on planet earth have been given the full package of medication, vaccine, pills, whatever is available to the richest nations.

"i'm alright Jack" wont do you any good - we are our brothers keeper (Genesis 4:9)

 

[SmallTown]

In theory its a logical idea, but the last year has shown people are unwilling to play the game at all meaning the rest of us suffer

Yeah. I guess we need bigger punishments. It's sad really that we live in such a selfish country

 

[Randy]

The NHS has been saved. People have been vaccinated.

Another lockdown or a delay in loosening restrictions ain't gonna fly.

 

[MolteniArcore]

It's been said that the indian variation is over here in such numbers because we delayed in stopping flights from India... where have we heard that before? Dither and delay... Cheers Boris.

Covid get's worse by the actions (or lack of) from our PM - when will the majority see this?

 

[Cambsred]

You can't really lockdown in this country. If Cambridgeshire locks down and I work in London then i'm still travelling as it's acceptable for work.

In the NHS Trust I work for we have staff travelling > 90 minutes to get to work who move from locked down areas to open areas. It works if everyone is working from home and locked in, but the reality is that most people don't have jobs that allow it.

What is required is good local management, test, trace, isolate. Numbers are small currently, we should be able to isolate these outbreaks successfully over a year into a pandemic and we aren't.

 

[Muttley]

What is required is good local management, test, trace, isolate. Numbers are small currently, we should be able to isolate these outbreaks successfully over a year into a pandemic and we aren't.

Good job we spaffed all those billions on a really top track and trace operation...

 

[atypical_boro]

In theory its a logical idea, but the last year has shown people are unwilling to play the game at all meaning the rest of us suffer

Make no mistake, if Australia was the size of the UK, and the same population, they'd have behaved exactly the same.

 

[Laughing]

In theory its a logical idea, but the last year has shown people are unwilling to play the game at all meaning the rest of us suffer

When are people going to stop blaming people. We are where we are for one reason only, poor pandemic management.

local restrictions don't work because they are politically motivated, so people will ignore them.

The only thing we should be interested in is whether people are being hospitalized and dying. The number of infections, in and off themseleves, are meaningless.

We need to stop living in fear. Stop being manipulated by a government who don't see the welfare of the electorate but a way to make money from our fear and misery.

 

[JM14]

When are people going to stop blaming people. We are where we are for one reason only, poor pandemic management.

local restrictions don't work because they are politically motivated, so people will ignore them.

The only thing we should be interested in is whether people are being hospitalized and dying. The number of infections, in and off themseleves, are meaningless.

We need to stop living in fear. Stop being manipulated by a government who don't see the welfare of the electorate but a way to make money from our fear and misery.

Yes the vast majority of this is on the government, but peoples behaviours are still partly to blame. We can blame the government all we want but people still have to take accountability for their actions.

 

[Laughing]

Yes the vast majority of this is on the government, but peoples behaviours are still partly to blame. We can blame the government all we want but people still have to take accountability for their actions.

And what actions would they be JM? Lockdown worked, ergo people are doing their bit. We have an Indian variant, is that because people weren't wearing masks or because the government were embarrassed to close down the India/UK corridor before a state visit?

Peoples behaviours have had almost zero impact. Johnson and his failure to handle the pandemic has lead to the loss of uneccessary lives. It has NOTHING to do with someone having a party during lockdown, absoloutely nothing.

I am sick to death of reading about someone lowering a mask to sneeze and them being villified. Some teenager sneaking off to see their friends and being villified.

Stop being the governments pawn. It's not a personal attack on you, but you are being manipulated into believeing this nonsense.

 

[SmallTown]

Make no mistake, if Australia was the size of the UK, and the same population, they'd have behaved exactly the same.

I wish I hadn't mentioned Australia now. Typical of some people to jump on that. Also typical of the same people to ignore working examples in Korea and Taiwan. Two much more comparable countries size and population wise

 

[Uwefuchs]

I wish I hadn't mentioned Australia now. Typical of some people to jump on that. Also typical of the same people to ignore working examples in Korea and Taiwan. Two much more comparable countries size and population wise

I didnt mean to jump on you, I suppose with the Asian countries you've mentioned maybe there's a different culture to what we have in the West. I think they have more of a collective mentality whereas Westerners are brought up in more of an individualist culture. I might be totally wrong but I'd expect more of a fear of authority and the police in countries like that as well.

I don't believe British people are any more selfish than say Americans, Germans, French etc..

 

[JM14]

And what actions would they be JM? Lockdown worked, ergo people are doing their bit. We have an Indian variant, is that because people weren't wearing masks or because the government were embarrassed to close down the India/UK corridor before a state visit?

Peoples behaviours have had almost zero impact. Johnson and his failure to handle the pandemic has lead to the loss of uneccessary lives. It has NOTHING to do with someone having a party during lockdown, absoloutely nothing.

I am sick to death of reading about someone lowering a mask to sneeze and them being villified. Some teenager sneaking off to see their friends and being villified.

Stop being the governments pawn. It's not a personal attack on you, but you are being manipulated into believeing this nonsense.

It spreads through person to person contact. Someone allowing numerous people to gather in their home will likely spread it, as will ignoring required isolation, or not getting tested with symptoms. We will all know people that have done these things over the last year which has contributed to the spread. Im not trying to defend the government at all, they are largely to blame for this, but its also wrong to say the general public havent contributed to this, because they have.

 

[Laughing]

It spreads through person to person contact. Someone allowing numerous people to gather in their home will likely spread it, as will ignoring required isolation, or not getting tested with symptoms. We will all know people that have done these things over the last year which has contributed to the spread. Im not trying to defend the government at all, they are largely to blame for this, but its also wrong to say the general public havent contributed to this, because they have.

any evidence of that assertion? I notice you completely ignore my point on the India variant, whose fault is that?

 

[atypical_boro]

I wish I hadn't mentioned Australia now. Typical of some people to jump on that. Also typical of the same people to ignore working examples in Korea and Taiwan. Two much more comparable countries size and population wise

Well I've never lived in Taiwan or Korea so didn't want to comment on how different/similar they were to the UK. I have lived in Australia.