Rubber Soul - but only bass and drums

The Card Cheat said:
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One of the things which is overlooked about the Beatles sometimes, is how good McCartney's bass lines were, and how good a drummer Ringo is.
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I think over time the general 'narrative' around the Beatles has changed a little. When I was growing up in the 80s/90s, not that long after his death, it was very much the consensus that Lennon was this God-like genius, and the rest of the band were his support cast. That's definitely not the case now. Paul has quite cleverly managed to (rightly) reframe that narrative without putting John down at all.
 
atypical_boro said:
I think over time the general 'narrative' around the Beatles has changed a little. When I was growing up in the 80s/90s, not that long after his death, it was very much the consensus that Lennon was this God-like genius, and the rest of the band were his support cast. That's definitely not the case now. Paul has quite cleverly managed to (rightly) reframe that narrative without putting John down at all.
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I understand the point you are making but I always felt it was Lennon and McCartney who were given the God-like geniuses titles and Starr and Harrison backed them up.

McCartney always seemed to be Lennon’s equal during and after their time in The Beatles.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I understand the point you are making but I always felt it was Lennon and McCartney who were given the God-like geniuses titles and Starr and Harrison backed them up.

McCartney always seemed to be Lennon’s equal during and after their time in The Beatles.
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Yeah, you're a bit older than me though. When I was at school there was a little 'hippy' group a couple of years above and they used to dress like Lennon and have long hair like he did during the post-Beatles years, with the iconic round glasses etc. Plus Liam Gallagher (who like it or not, was hugely popular at the time) used to have Lennon on a pedestal and it rubbed off on people my age.

There was no one trying to impersonate McCartney. My perception at the time was that Paul was a good songwriter, but the love for Lennon seemed to be beyond music. I think that's changed in recent years. Once Paul has carked it I think the majority of Beatles fans will probably see him as the 'leader' of the group by most definitions, and that he was easily equally as talented, if not more. They probably do already really, I know I do.
 
atypical_boro said:
Yeah, you're a bit older than me though. When I was at school there was a little 'hippy' group a couple of years above and they used to dress like Lennon and have long hair like he did during the post-Beatles years, with the iconic round glasses etc. Plus Liam Gallagher (who like it or not, was hugely popular at the time) used to have Lennon on a pedestal and it rubbed off on people my age.

There was no one trying to impersonate McCartney. My perception at the time was that Paul was a good songwriter, but the love for Lennon seemed to be beyond music. I think that's changed in recent years. Once Paul has carked it I think the majority of Beatles fans will probably see him as the 'leader' of the group by most definitions, and that he was easily equally as talented, if not more. They probably do already really, I know I do.
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I supposed it's similar to stories of footballers, nostalgia can make them better players than their peers. I liked their music but never had time for either of them and was more into The Rolling Stones than The Beatles.
 
A huge number of musicians were inspired by the the Beatles, and that includes drummers, some of whom went on become (amongst drummers mainly) household names.
Ringo’s approach is all about the song, what will make this song sound good…that’s it!!
He has in that, impeccable time, good touch and great taste.
On that particular track, like many others, those three things are there. Plus his ability to add a little nuance here and there just to add an almost imperceptible lift that you may not hear, but will certainly feel. One the great “song” drummers.
 
The love that still exists for The Beatles was amply exemplified last night at the Globe’s celebrations for the 60th anniversary of them playing there. It was a privilege to be part of the night and to sing on the stage and look out on that vast auditorium. A shout out to the Stockton Riverside students sitting behind me in the second half. I’ve not seen a bunch of young people enjoy themselves so much in a long time, and they knew every word to every Beatles song, perhaps a testament to the longevity of Beatles’ songs.

It was also good to catch up with Fischer… he sends everyone his love!!
 
atypical_boro said:
I think over time the general 'narrative' around the Beatles has changed a little. When I was growing up in the 80s/90s, not that long after his death, it was very much the consensus that Lennon was this God-like genius, and the rest of the band were his support cast. That's definitely not the case now. Paul has quite cleverly managed to (rightly) reframe that narrative without putting John down at all.
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I think dying young adds a touch of myth and glamour: when I see a pic of Macca today, it's hard to associate that image with an all time music genius; that said Keef pulls it off quite well.
I was 3 when Lennon died, so what do I know, but I get the impression he cultivated more of a public image with Yoko, bed peace etc, after the Beatles split, but PM just did music?
 
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