Shamima Begum refused return to UK

newyddion said:
where does it end? clearly she wasn't 'the right kind of british' for our laws to apply to her.

maybe northerners aren't 'the right kind of british' when it comes to investment in infrastructure, schools and hospitals. maybe we're not 'the right kind of british' to deserve vaccinations.. we should probably wait in line until 'the right kind of british' have had their share of the pot, their noses in the trough.. then we can have whatever's left over.

can some put some straw haired toff on top of a red bus waiving a flag.. i'm starting to feel a little less british than i'm supposed to.
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With a Prime Minister who has expressed racist oppinions, supported section 28, defended the "hostile environment", interns legitimate refugees and asylum-seekers in secure Concentration Centres - and keeps Julian Assange locked up in a top security prison for telling the truth........what we have seen today is no surprise.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Which is the example you put forward!!
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I didn’t say her phone. Re read it.

Just for clarity I haven’t suggested GCHQ are idiots as u have wrongly accused me of. I think they do a remarkable job. The number of terror attacks they foil each year is both astonishing and disturbing.
 
How can we revoke citizenship, or deny a right to fight citizenship from the UK to someone who was born here, went to school here and has spent over 75% of their life here? She's our problem, whether we like it or not. Hiding from the problems of UK born citizens, to appease the far right is a very, very dark path.

She became a problem, by being groomed, in the UK, as a child, by another UK citizen!

If she's not a citizen of here, then who is? This wouldn't be happening if she was white, or if she was some groomed young white girl that got led abroad by some other UK citizens.

Jesus, the home secretary who banned her (Javid) is in a similar position himself, the son of immigrants, but he was born in the UK. The same with that cretin Patel, she was also the daughter of immigrants and born here. Those two have the same claims to citizenship as Begum does (they're all UK citizens, which is correct). But if we're removing Begums, then maybe we should remove Javid and Patel's citizenship, they've probably done far more damage to far more vulnerable people.

I'm not for one second saying we should let her come back and let her free, but we have to let her back and fight her case, which would likely end up with her being locked up for a long time.
 
Andy_W said:
How can we revoke citizenship, or deny a right to fight citizenship from the UK to someone who was born here, went to school here and has spent over 75% of their life here? She's our problem, whether we like it or not. Hiding from the problems of UK born citizens, to appease the far right is a very, very dark path.

She became a problem, by being groomed, in the UK, as a child, by another UK citizen!

If she's not a citizen of here, then who is? This wouldn't be happening if she was white, or if she was some groomed young white girl that got led abroad by some other UK citizens.

Jesus, the home secretary who banned her (Javid) is in a similar position himself, the son of immigrants, but he was born in the UK. The same with that cretin Patel, she was also the daughter of immigrants and born here. Those two have the same claims to citizenship as Begum does (they're all UK citizens, which is correct). But if we're removing Begums, then maybe we should remove Javid and Patel's citizenship, they've probably done far more damage to far more vulnerable people.

I'm not for one second saying we should let her come back and let her free, but we have to let her back and fight her case, which would likely end up with her being locked up for a long time.
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Absolutely (y)
Its identical to some of the "Windrush" generation - worked here and lived here longer than anywhere else - raised children and paid their way, yet face deportation to places they havent called home since a child.
 
She was young enough to fly around the world via 'dark Web' means and crossing borders in boots of cars etc.

It's not like she just jumped on a plane and made an honest mistake. I am sure she would have been involved in acts that were horrific (directly or indirectly).

I'm very much in the camp that she should never come back. That goes for anyone who fought for the Taliban. I'm not having the 'brain washed'. You know right from wrong at 15. It's a completely different 'mistake' to being caught with booze or falling pregnant at that age.
 
r00fie1 said:
Absolutely (y)
Its identical to some of the "Windrush" generation - worked here and lived here longer than anywhere else - raised children and paid their way, yet face deportation to places they havent called home since a child.
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It's messed up, imagine if this was happening to white people, it would be a completely different outcome.

Patel is evil, I genuinely think she's racist against other immigrants and siblings of immigrants, but gets away with it as she could be subjected to racism herself, they know nobody would dare call it out. She sells out people that are in the same position as herself, or her parents, it's weird, and shes despicable.
 
Andy_W said:
How can we revoke citizenship, or deny a right to fight citizenship from the UK to someone who was born here, went to school here and has spent over 75% of their life here? She's our problem, whether we like it or not. Hiding from the problems of UK born citizens, to appease the far right is a very, very dark path.

She became a problem, by being groomed, in the UK, as a child, by another UK citizen!

If she's not a citizen of here, then who is? This wouldn't be happening if she was white, or if she was some groomed young white girl that got led abroad by some other UK citizens.

Jesus, the home secretary who banned her (Javid) is in a similar position himself, the son of immigrants, but he was born in the UK. The same with that cretin Patel, she was also the daughter of immigrants and born here. Those two have the same claims to citizenship as Begum does (they're all UK citizens, which is correct). But if we're removing Begums, then maybe we should remove Javid and Patel's citizenship, they've probably done far more damage to far more vulnerable people.

I'm not for one second saying we should let her come back and let her free, but we have to let her back and fight her case, which would likely end up with her being locked up for a long time.
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I totally agree. The idea of stripping someone of citizenship who was born here seems bizarre to me. It's a totally political move to appease the public that just dumps the problem on someone else.
 
it's pretty messed up with folks whoop whooping the death of her three children. no matter what the views, opinions & actions of their parents.. three innocent babies dead. very sad.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
She was young enough to fly around the world via 'dark Web' means and crossing borders in boots of cars etc.

It's not like she just jumped on a plane and made an honest mistake. I am sure she would have been involved in acts that were horrific (directly or indirectly).

I'm very much in the camp that she should never come back. That goes for anyone who fought for the Taliban. I'm not having the 'brain washed'. You know right from wrong at 15. It's a completely different 'mistake' to being caught with booze or falling pregnant at that age.
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Did she pay for those plane tickets herself and have her parents permission? Or was she funded and some other adult buy them? Do you not think there were adults planning and arranging/ assisting all that?

She was groomed before she left, probably long before she was 15.

15 year olds are not fully responsible for decisions like this, not to the point where their citizenship can be taken away. It shouldn't even be taken away if she was 25, she was born here, she has a right to put British on her passport, just like anyone on here.

What if she was white and groomed into joining the sex trade? Would she be responsible for that decision? No, of course not.
What if she was white and groomed into selling drugs at a school? Do we not allow her back in the next time she goes abroad? No, of course not.
What if she was a white lad called Johnny, born in Boro, do we stop him coming back after he gets caught selling drugs in Magaluf? No, of course not.

What about countries that have armed terrorists, or increased terrorism by interfering in controversial issues that they have limited/ no right to? Is that not worse than some 15-year-old girl?
 
I agree with most of whats been said.
Its not whether we agree with or "like" what she has done: that is no basis for running a democracy.
A person has rights, even prisoners who have committed henious crimes.
She is British and has the right to a British Passport and British citizenship.
Let the rule of law take its course and give her the right to appeal - just like any other person.
There is a saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and I dont see any virgin angels in the Cabinet at the moment!
 
Andy_W said:
How can we revoke citizenship, or deny a right to fight citizenship from the UK to someone who was born here, went to school here and has spent over 75% of their life here? She's our problem, whether we like it or not. Hiding from the problems of UK born citizens, to appease the far right is a very, very dark path.

She became a problem, by being groomed, in the UK, as a child, by another UK citizen!

If she's not a citizen of here, then who is? This wouldn't be happening if she was white, or if she was some groomed young white girl that got led abroad by some other UK citizens.

Jesus, the home secretary who banned her (Javid) is in a similar position himself, the son of immigrants, but he was born in the UK. The same with that cretin Patel, she was also the daughter of immigrants and born here. Those two have the same claims to citizenship as Begum does (they're all UK citizens, which is correct). But if we're removing Begums, then maybe we should remove Javid and Patel's citizenship, they've probably done far more damage to far more vulnerable people.

I'm not for one second saying we should let her come back and let her free, but we have to let her back and fight her case, which would likely end up with her being locked up for a long time.
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Yes but she reneged on her citizenship the moment she left the country and joined the other side.

Once you join the other side - especially an illegal terrorist group - you waive all rights that were assigned to you by the country of your birth.
 
She is British. She was born here - how could the government possibly be allowed to remove citizenship?. It is that simple. This is a total non-issue that has been turned into a major political argument. If we are going to start looking at people who have committed crimes against the country then there are a lot of people who should be looked at before we get to her.

Being an idiot doesnt mean that that gives the government the right to ban you from your country. If that was the case, we would have a population of about 500,000.
If she has committed a crime then she should be tried like the rest of us would be.
 
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red_harrington said:
Yes but she reneged on her citizenship the moment she left the country and joined the other side.

Once you join the other side - especially an illegal terrorist group - you waive all rights that were assigned to you by the country of your birth.
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At any age? A 12 year old for example?
 
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