Shamima Begum refused return to UK

boroboy6872

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Denmark's stance on the same subject

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The proposed new law, which has broad support among lawmakers of different parties, would allow the government to strip fighters abroad who also hold another nationality of their Danish citizenship without a court order.

The law would not apply to single nationality Danes who could be left stateless.

“These are people who have turned their backs on Denmark and fought with violence against our democracy and freedom. They pose a threat to our security. They are unwanted in Denmark,” Frederiksen said.

“The government will therefore do everything possible, to prevent them from returning to Denmark.”

https://www.euractiv.com/section/po...strip-foreign-fighters-of-danish-citizenship/
 

bear66

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Denmark's stance on the same subject

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The proposed new law, which has broad support among lawmakers of different parties, would allow the government to strip fighters abroad who also hold another nationality of their Danish citizenship without a court order.

The law would not apply to single nationality Danes who could be left stateless.

“These are people who have turned their backs on Denmark and fought with violence against our democracy and freedom. They pose a threat to our security. They are unwanted in Denmark,” Frederiksen said.

“The government will therefore do everything possible, to prevent them from returning to Denmark.”

https://www.euractiv.com/section/po...strip-foreign-fighters-of-danish-citizenship/
It's the same as here. Single nationality Brits have returned in their hundreds
 

boroboy6872

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Kazakhstan do the opposite to Denmark though

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In a three-phase operation conducted between January and May 2019, Kazakhstan has repatriated 595 of its citizens and sent the majority of the women and children to adaptation and rehabilitation centres. Here, the returnees were given into the care of medical workers, psychologists and theologians before returning to their communities.

Kazakhstan also tried and sentenced 33 male fighters, who will also undergo rehabilitation while serving their sentences.

“Reintegration is hard,” admitted Sabinella, a young widow brought back from Syria last year, speaking at a conference in the European Parliament on the Kazakh repatriation experience on 4 February. “But the continued support of the family and counselling help.”

In November 2019, Kazakhstan repatriated 14 more children from Baghdad, who have spent the past two years with their mothers, currently imprisoned for terrorist activities.

The effectiveness of Kazakhstan’s and other Central Asian nations’ deradicalisation and reintegration efforts remain to be seen.

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bear66

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Kazakhstan do the opposite to Denmark though

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In a three-phase operation conducted between January and May 2019, Kazakhstan has repatriated 595 of its citizens and sent the majority of the women and children to adaptation and rehabilitation centres. Here, the returnees were given into the care of medical workers, psychologists and theologians before returning to their communities.

Kazakhstan also tried and sentenced 33 male fighters, who will also undergo rehabilitation while serving their sentences.

“Reintegration is hard,” admitted Sabinella, a young widow brought back from Syria last year, speaking at a conference in the European Parliament on the Kazakh repatriation experience on 4 February. “But the continued support of the family and counselling help.”

In November 2019, Kazakhstan repatriated 14 more children from Baghdad, who have spent the past two years with their mothers, currently imprisoned for terrorist activities.

The effectiveness of Kazakhstan’s and other Central Asian nations’ deradicalisation and reintegration efforts remain to be seen.

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It's not the opposite. Both countries, as we do, repatriate their citizens.
 

Laughing

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Ah I have misread then Bear

So currently Denmark repatriate but are seeking to stop (based on the article I linked)?
Denmark are looking to change their law so they do not have to repatriate any dual citizenship suspected terrorists, which is similar to the situation in the UK.

Currently we cannot revoke citizenship if it would leave someone stateless. The case under discussion has a suggestion that the woman involved has Banghladeshi citizenship based on birthright, i.e. her mother was born there.
 

bear66

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Ah I have misread then Bear

So currently Denmark repatriate but are seeking to stop (based on the article I linked)?
No, they'll continue to repatriate. What they are saying is that dual citizens will lose their Danish citizenship. That's the same with us. The issue in the Begum case was that it was deemed she had, by age, a right to Bengali citizenship . . . but even if that were the case, it's not the right of a foreign government to tell Bangladesh that they must give her citizenship.

The general principle is that no (civilized) country should make a person stateless.

The recent judgement appears to agree that she had a right to return but national security is a conflicting right that allows the home secretary to make such a decision. She hasn't been given the opportunity to challenge that conflict legally.
 

Redwurzel

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People should have a chance to say they made a mistake. particularly when under 18. Some of the Hitler Youth committed horrible atrocities in 1945, but most were forgiven and became everyday citizens in Germany.

33% of Germans were card carrying Nazis in 1945 too, if we had punished them all we may have had WW3 in the 1960s.

Though if SB still has very extreme views and they have not changed then the second chance option has to be taken away.
 

JackG

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People should have a chance to say they made a mistake. particularly when under 18. Some of the Hitler Youth committed horrible atrocities in 1945, but most were forgiven and became everyday citizens in Germany.

33% of Germans were card carrying Nazis in 1945 too
, if we had punished them all we may have had WW3 in the 1960s.

Though if SB still has very extreme views and they have not changed then the second chance option has to be taken away.
Doesn't sound like they had to do much reforming to satisfy the 'everyday citizens' criterion.
 

Redwurzel

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But the vast majority with happy to say bye/bye National Socialism over their life time. The fascists now in Germany are the young particularly in former East.

The test for me with SB is will she say she was wrong to follow the establishment of a Islamic caliphate with its medieval laws.
 

Laughing

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But the vast majority with happy to say bye/bye National Socialism over their life time. The fascists now in Germany are the young particularly in former East.

The test for me with SB is will she say she was wrong to follow the establishment of a Islamic caliphate with its medieval laws.
I find it interesting when you say ISIS have medieval laws when the UK home office have banished her from the UK, not medieval, but biblical.
 

Randy

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I find it interesting when you say ISIS have medieval laws when the UK home office have banished her from the UK, not medieval, but biblical.
She went to fight for a terrorist organisation. She gave up all rights to live here, take tax payers money from here, start a brand new life here when she jumped on that plane.

Laughing, given the opportunity would you invite her to stay at your home?
 

Laughing

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She went to fight for a terrorist organisation. She gave up all rights to live here, take tax payers money from here, start a brand new life here when she jumped on that plane.

Laughing, given the opportunity would you invite her to stay at your home?
Nope, but then I wouldn't invite you either Randy and you're a better cook than my wife. I am not sure I get your point though.
 

jam69

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It's a mess and one in which ourselves and the USA played a major part in creating. I am sure washing our hands of it, whilst popular with some. is the wrong thing to do.
That's the truth of it " it's popular to some" . It's a vote winner for them.
Haven't over 200 "terrorists" returned to the UK already?
This is all about this utter shambles of a government playing politics
 
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