Shocking scenes in Bristol tonight

BoroMart said:
Errr, that isn't an answer to my question which was:


very bizarre and dishonest from you, to create your own question to answer and pretend it's the one I asked. 🤷‍♂️
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You started the thread by blaming the tory authoritarians, I replied it was out & out thugs, who decided to get involved in the protest that caused the trouble not the police, the police were there to try & control what they seen could escalate

You still haven't answered my question regarding is it OK to cause a riot in the name of a protest, but given your hatred for the present government I don't think I'll hold my breath
 
Erimus74 said:
You started the thread by blaming the tory authoritarians, I replied it was out & out thugs, who decided to get involved in the protest that caused the trouble not the police, the police were there to try & control what they seen could escalate

You still haven't answered my question regarding is it OK to cause a riot in the name of a protest, but given your hatred for the present government I don't think I'll hold my breath
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I didn't start the thread

Tory authoritarianism attracts a response from teh public, the more extreme they go the more the reaction. Riots don't happen under moderate rule.

I haven't answered your question because you have refused to answer mine, stop playing the victim. If you look back in my posts I've already condemned the violence. You however are too cowardly to debate honestly and admit that the current laws already cover the ability to deal with last nights violence.
 
locomansimon said:
the problem is mate the turkeys will vote for Christmas again, over heard two blokes in the chippy in Whitby discussing what a fabulous job Johnson was doing and if Corbin had been in there would be bodies piled in the street, its absolutely unbelievable how brainwashed these people are !
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A man who knew back in the 60’s how we are being played 👇
 

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BoroMart said:
I didn't start the thread

Tory authoritarianism attracts a response from teh public, the more extreme they go the more the reaction. Riots don't happen under moderate rule.

I haven't answered your question because you have refused to answer mine, stop playing the victim. If you look back in my posts I've already condemned the violence. You however are too cowardly to debate honestly and admit that the current laws already cover the ability to deal with last nights violence.
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OK, I'm a victim & a cowards, have a nice day ;)
 
Views on this thread are fairly entrenched and I can't see anyone changing their mind to be honest. I have made my views clear, accept them, ridicule them as you see fit.

We all have a breaking point, without the protest last night and others to come, you will all reach you're breaking point. Maybe when furlough ends and you loose your job and have to get by on universal credit and cannot feed your children, nor keep a roof over their heads.

The policing bill is Johnsons section 31, which interestingly enough was only allowed to elapse in 1994 after Thatcher had been ousted by political protesters.

Breaking the law isn't always a bad thing, some bills should never be allowed to pass into law, the policing bill is one of those. Stop blaming protestors and start looking at a government that creates the climate under which riots are an almost certainty.

Have a good day, I am done wit hthis thread.
 
BoroMart said:
It was a small amount of violence, lets not pretend the city was decimated, 15mill in a city where a one bed flat in teh right part of town costs 1mill+ is pittance.
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come off it! Are you serious. And you call me out for not having a balanced view.
 
BoroMart said:
Sure, run away rather than answer a simple question, knowing that the answer debunks your whole stance :ROFLMAO: :rolleyes: 👋
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Not running away, said what I wanted to say, you failed to, I made my point, you can continue for the rest of the day, enjoy it if you can
 
BoroMart said:
no 🤦‍♂️ The citizens didn't vote out communism, citizens didn't have a referendum for womens vote, and they didn't have one for workers protections. They put pressure on politicians, reminding them that, they work for us via protests.
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Ok, I concede. You make some great points. As ever, I enjoy reading them. My point is that whatever happens we seem to end up with the same people in control. I’ll level with you, I’m a police officer but don’t like the way things are going. I think the new bill has directed the anger and focus towards the police and away from the problem. The problem is that we have a political class who pitch people against each other. Under our current system I think the only way to change things is to somehow elect people who represent society and have a genuine desire to do good. Cloud cuckoo land I know. But fighting among each other will achieve nothing. The scenes from last night allow people to say ‘look, we told you people can’t behave’
But I also take the point that acquiescing isn’t the answer either.
I’m not clever enough to think of solutions, I just know that attacking anyone just makes things worse.
 
Laughing said:
Stop blaming protestors and start looking at a government that creates the climate under which riots are an almost certainty.
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People voting for this government either don`t care about what you want or actively want the current climate

How do you change the views of the people voting for the current government?
In my constituency the Conservatives have well over 50% of the vote with an opposition sitting at around 25% and that`s prior to Brexit

I honestly feel like it`s a lost cause getting in a party that cares about the future of it`s people

Conservatives don`t care, majority of current Labour MP's don`t care.

Suppose I`ll just be told to leave if I`m not happy...........but I can`t (the irony)
 
NoloBoro said:
Under our current system I think the only way to change things is to somehow elect people who represent society and have a genuine desire to do good. Cloud cuckoo land I know.
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Cloud cuckoo land, maybe.....but without the desire for something fair, life will continue to be unfair.
NoloBoro said:
I’m not clever enough to think of solutions, I just know that attacking anyone just makes things worse.
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It's a fair point. Society is being turned against itself continuously at the moment. Regardless whichever stance people took on the referendum, it was a low water mark for our countries national psyche and social fabric, and now other topics are being used by the political powers that be, to fragment society. We've had royalty, BLM, wokism, and a whole other bunch of dividing factors used to create conflict lines. I'm afraid things are probably going to get worse before they get better ☹️
 
NoloBoro said:
think the new bill has directed the anger and focus towards the police and away from the problem.
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Oh, I 100% agree with this. Police have a tough enough job, and the rioters last night were totally wrong to go for the police. The police should be as apolitical as they can be, and politicians shouldn't use the police to represent their political ideologies. Sadly that's where we are right now.
 
BoroMart said:
Oh, I 100% agree with this. Police have a tough enough job, and the rioters last night were totally wrong to go for the police. The police should be as apolitical as they can be, and politicians shouldn't use the police to represent their political ideologies. Sadly that's where we are right now.
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Of course you will appreciate I have to be careful what I say. But, as a police officer you can’t choose which laws you uphold. I will say this though, I didn’t become a cop to stifle freedom of expression. I did it to protect those who can’t help themselves. During my service I have seen a marked increase in violence towards officers and I know that isn’t what this thread is about but the mainstream media are fuelling the hatred towards cops. On the flip side like all organisations who employ so many you have your fair share of individuals who cause problems but the media focus is always on corruption, heavy handed ness.
 
It’s not really about this Bill though is it?

That‘s just the excuse.

Ive no doubt Johnson and Patel will severely condemn the violence and call for tougher measures blah, blah, blah. Johnson might even go up a couple of percent in the latest You Gov opinion poll amongst the 60 plus year olds whose working lives are largely over.

But all of that is irrelevant to the big problems which are emerging.

Look at the last couple of years -

Climate change protests - London brought to a standstill for a week and violence on the streets.
Widespread lockdown breaking during the pandemic
Corruption in the award of government PPE contracts
BLM protests
Covid anti lockdown protests
Women‘s safety protests
Domestic violence through the roof
Statues under threat/guard
Riots in Bristol last night
Food queues round the block in cities like London and Glasgow.
The Queen basically admitting racism in a fractured Royal Family.

You can take sides and try to blame, blame, blame.

You can pour out all the right wing propaganda you like via the likes of the Sun, the Mail and the Express.

But this country is in serious distress and we could be witnessing the social and economic breakdown of our society.

A huge number of people just do not seem to care about the laws or the rules any more.

It‘s very serious, the police have a shockingly difficult job.
 
Both sides are being played to distract from those with the actual power - it's textbook divide and rule, has been central to this government's playbook (to date) and will only get worse the longer they're in power.

It's the "death by a thousand cuts" argument - liberties and freedoms are being, and will be, continually eroded but in such a way that the sum is never fully understood against the multitude of smaller parts.

With every legislation that passes ask yourself who benefits - those in power (either financially or through a tightening of grip on power) or the electorate. At least they've been savvy enough to wraparound genuinely beneficial clauses into this act, whilst smuggling through the actual thing they want to enact.
 
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