Should the Green Party court Corbyn

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I voted labour when Corbyn was in charge because of his policies. Not bothered at all about the bloke himself.
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I've just said the same on the other political thread (two on the front page - the horror!!).

It's the usual projection from those who imagine everyone else is the same as them when they put themselves squarely behind a person (Boris, Trump, Starmer etc.) rather than holding a political position.
 
SuperStu said:
Not sure that holds up anymore. Solar and wind are already cheaper than coal, gas, nuclear, and getting cheaper.
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I don't know about solar, but wind power certainly isn't cheaper, if only because you need either massive battery storage or else alternative generating capacity for when the wind doesn't blow. Remember they're still subsidising wind farms. And domestic customers, so far as I know, still get charged a green energy levy.

And then there's the cost of heat pumps. £15k for a poor man is a lot more to him than £15k to a rich man.

Motoring. Not only is the current policy to put prices up, especially when it comes to buying a new car, and all these city centre charging zones, but it's also massively more convenient for people with driveways than for people without. It's not as if there is any serious attempt to put in the infrastructure they will need.

Disproportionate green policies aimed at driving landlords out of the property business will hit their tenants as well. Because, obviously, they will have to find somewhere else to live.
 
dsr-burnley said:
but wind power certainly isn't cheaper, if only because you need either massive battery storage or else alternative generating capacity for when the wind doesn't blow.
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This doesn't mean wind isn't cheaper. And obviously if you have more turbines in more places then the grid can be supplied wherever happens to be windy on a given day. We're an island covered in hills - there's never a time when the wind doesn't blow anywhere here.

dsr-burnley said:
And then there's the cost of heat pumps. £15k for a poor man is a lot more to him than £15k to a rich man.
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I think you're comparing apples with oranges here. You're saying green government policies can't be socialistic and then quoting the costs of people individually doing their own thing. Same with your cars point.
 
SuperStu said:
This doesn't mean wind isn't cheaper. And obviously if you have more turbines in more places then the grid can be supplied wherever happens to be windy on a given day. We're an island covered in hills - there's never a time when the wind doesn't blow anywhere here.



I think you're comparing apples with oranges here. You're saying green government policies can't be socialistic and then quoting the costs of people individually doing their own thing. Same with your cars point.
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There was precious little wind that fortnight in January this year when it snowed and froze. Besides, whatever the wind generation capacity is in total, it will be way below that on some days and weeks (even if it isn't zero) and that capacity needs to be made up from somewhere else.

As for the people individually getting electric cars and heat pumps, it's government policy (or is going to be) that they won't have any choice. The choice will be heating your house with a heat pump, or not heating it at all. Driving an electric car, or not driving at all. That's just Tory policy, and I dare say the Green party policy will be worse. I'm not saying that Green policies can't be socialistic, only that they are expensive, and people who are struggling to make ends meet tend prefer policies that will not make them worse off.
 
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MolteniArcore said:
And these policies and investments will produce jobs and growth. 'Going Green' is a no brainer really. Saying they are designed to make people poorer is just rubbish.
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On Teesside at the moment, there are two converter stations being constructed at Wilton for dogger Bank off shore windfarms. Circa 400 people employed in construction phase.

There are the associated onshore cabling works. Unsure of workforce size on these projects but will be minimum of 150.

The Seah Windfarm monopile facility on Teesworks, again 200+ people employed.

The adjacent South Bank Quay, employing 120 people.

Plus additional support for these projects. There is a minimum of 1000 well paid jobs in the Middlesbrough/Redcar area right now due to the investment in wind energy. And this is only going to increase
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I voted labour when Corbyn was in charge because of his policies. Not bothered at all about the bloke himself.
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Not a huge amount wrong with his message, more about his abject failure to say it in the right way. And he failed mostly because the bloke was being the 'bloke himself'
And therein lies the problem. And why we have the utter shambles of Toryism back in power.

It'll happen again if the far left would have their way.
It's almost anybody but Starmer.
 
zzzzz said:
Not a huge amount wrong with his message, more about his abject failure to say it in the right way. And he failed mostly because the bloke was being the 'bloke himself'
And therein lies the problem. And why we have the utter shambles of Toryism back in power.

It'll happen again if the far left would have their way.
It's almost anybody but Starmer.
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It's the far-lefts fault when the centrists actively work against the party.

It's the far-lefts fault when the centrists run the party.

Is it ever not the far-lefts fault?

Are centrists ever able to take some responsibility for their actions?
 
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