Should the Green Party court Corbyn

Talk of split in the left of the Labour party won't come to anything either. If MP's want to make the country better they need to be in a party that wins, a split and the forming of a party of the 'true left' wouldn't have enough MP's in it to win.

They will stay within Labour for this next GE.

Now if for some reason Labour don't win the next GE and if that cause Starmer to go then they would probably stay as well.

The only way I can see them splitting if if Labour lose and Starmer remains.
 
Scrote said:
The problem with that is where do you find someone like Corbyn without the baggage that makes him what he is.

Starmer was essentially a blank slate politically. He doesn't have any ties to a socialist ideology which is a large part of the problem.

Anyone with any real leftist credentials will have 'dirt' that the right wing press will highlight.
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Where do you find an honest politician that believes in making things better for people? If there isn't a single one in the Labour party then that is a worry!
 
Scrote said:
Historically the Green Party has never been overtly socialist so I doubt Corbyn would entertain the idea even if the Greens did.

They're essentially a Liberal pressure group. Equivalent to UKIP for the Tories.

Their inroads to socialist ideas come where they intersect with the environmental message but they are fundamentally left leaning libertarians.
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The Green Party would f**king love to have Corbyn
 
MolteniArcore said:
If MP's want to make the country better they need to be in a party that wins, a split and the forming of a party of the 'true left' wouldn't have enough MP's in it to win.
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Nope. UKIP got what they wanted without needing to win.

The reason the new left wing party won't happen is the SCG haven't got the bottle or the fight for it, and nobody else has the money.
 
MolteniArcore said:
TBH you are right there. Would a breakaway Labour left scare the Labour Party into such a move as the Brexit ref? Not sure - maybe they would drag labour towards the left though.

We don't usually agree Stu but in this case I see totally where you are coming from.
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There are a lot of people on the left who will probably hold their nose and vote for Starmer's Labour just to get rid of the Tories. I'm not one of them. If there was a left wing alternative then most of those people would vote for that instead. Nobody I know actually likes or believes in Starmer. They just see him as being slightly less crap than what we already have.
 
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bumface said:
There are a lot of people on the left who will probably hold their nose and vote for Starmer's Labour just to get rid of the Tories. I'm not one of them. If there was a left wing alternative then most of those people would vote for that instead. Nobody I know actually likes or believes in Starmer. They just see him as being slightly less crap than what he already have.
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You are right, people will hold their nose. I can't see a split in the next year though that would do anything other than damage Labour's chances to get into power... it might even keep the Tories in power.

I might be wrong but I think UKIP might have been around for longer than a year? They were only around for one electoral GE cycle though so I could be wrong.
 
MolteniArcore said:
I might be wrong but I think UKIP might have been around for longer than a year? They were only around for one electoral GE cycle though so I could be wrong.
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UKIP were around for about 20 years before they got Brexit. Think they were established around the time of the Maastricht treaty. Obviously they weren't such a big outfit until the 2010s.
 
MolteniArcore said:
You are right, people will hold their nose. I can't see a split in the next year though that would do anything other than damage Labour's chances to get into power... it might even keep the Tories in power.

I might be wrong but I think UKIP might have been around for longer than a year? They were only around for one electoral GE cycle though so I could be wrong.
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I just can't do it mate. I'd rather not vote at all than vote for the right wing Labour party that we have now.

Starmer will probably win the next election, and then it will be just more of the same. Politics in this country is absolutely f*cked. We're not quite as bad as America yet, but we are getting there.
 
Any split in Labour votes is a Tory win. Basic question is, do you want this Government to keep on ruling ? If you don't, you should vote Labour. ANY Labour government is better for the population in general than the current government.
 
bumface said:
I just can't do it mate. I'd rather not vote at all than vote for the right wing Labour party that we have now.

Starmer will probably win the next election, and then it will be just more of the same. Politics in this country is absolutely f*cked. We're not quite as bad as America yet, but we are getting there.
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Good morning Mr Bumface.
I`ve already started to prepare my small garden for the Green Revolution.
Orgasmic vegetables and fruits sounds interesting - and I wont be growing any red roses - only green ones.
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Power to orgasmic compost ✊
btw: "Starmer" is a weed.
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Starbuck said:
Any split in Labour votes is a Tory win. Basic question is, do you want this Government to keep on ruling ? If you don't, you should vote Labour. ANY Labour government is better for the population in general than the current government.
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Wrong. That is extremely short term thinking. A win for a right wing Labour just pushes the rhetoric that Labour has to move to the right to win and that shifts the whole country right indefinitely. Labour could beat this current government with Corbyn's manifesto. Winning with Cameron's will do more harm in the long run despite being better than the Tories in the short run.
 
The problem that the Greens have as a new left wing party, is that main raison d'etre of the Labour party was, and to some extent still is, to represent the poor people and help them get richer. But most of the policies of the Greens are designed to make people poorer, disproportionately affecting the already poor. You can't get votes from the "red wall" seats by telling people you want to put up the prices of electricity and make them scrap their cars. (I know all parties have that policy, but the Greens have it most of all.)
 
I'm really struggling with voting Labour at the next general election, and I know several committed members are not going out door knocking at the moment due to disillusionment with how Starmer is a) running the party & b) courting the right wing nutjob vote.

If the Greens did attract some big names to the party and appeared a credible centre-left choice, I could see Labour haemorrhaging votes to them. No one sensible is going to switch to Lib-Dems are they.
 
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