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BoroLioness said:
If folk don't like the banners or the chants....do your own
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Couldn't from Australia but even I would have tried to start 'There's only one Tony Mowbray' when we went 1-0 up. The whole ground would have joined in that one to the seagull shaggers...
 
Nero said:
That’s a fair point but you cannot say Sky haven’t had a positive impact. There is no way English football would be the beast it is without the financial support from TV.
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Aye, soulless stadiums, filled with tourists.
Costs a fortune to watch your team and sky will change the time and date of the game with a few weeks notice. We have squads filled with players earning more a week than 1st division players used to earn in a lifetime. 70 clubs in the 92 are on the verge of bankruptcy trying to chase the Premier league money.

The only thing that's actually improved is the state of the pitches.
 
free_pint said:
Aye, soulless stadiums, filled with tourists.
Costs a fortune to watch your team and sky will change the time and date of the game with a few weeks notice. We have squads filled with players earning more a week than 1st division players used to earn in a lifetime. 70 clubs in the 92 are on the verge of bankruptcy trying to chase the Premier league money.

The only thing that's actually improved is the state of the pitches.
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Keep pretending football was better in the 80’s then.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
When you talk of English football being a beast are you referring to the few clubs competing in Europe?

If so, no arguments there.
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It’s not the top few though, is it, it filters down to every level. When I started watching Middlesbrough, the players were barely on what you’d call a middle-class wage. They had a decent lifestyle while they were playing, because they got a fair few freebies, but there would be plenty in the stands better paid than they were. And it was off to run a pub or something on retirement. You might even see players, particularly if they had decent semi pro contracts or a decent profession, giving the lower divisions a miss completely.

Not now. The poorest paid Middlesbrough player has an income that is stratospheric compared with the ordinary people of Teesside . if you are careful, you could just about be set for life on any football league salary. There are full-time clubs in the sixth tier. Redcar Athletic in the ninth are allegedly paying some players £500 a week to show no sign of getting out of the bottom half. Turnover figures would show similar growth out of proportion with the growth of the economy.

Its the sky money. You can argue it’s a good thing or a bad thing, but you can’t argue it’s only affected the top of football.
 
FishofContemplation said:
It’s not the top few though, is it, it filters down to every level. When I started watching Middlesbrough, the players were barely on what you’d call a middle-class wage. They had a decent lifestyle while they were playing, because they got a fair few freebies, but there would be plenty in the stands better paid than they were. And it was off to run a pub or something on retirement. You might even see players, particularly if they had decent semi pro contracts or a decent profession, giving the lower divisions a miss completely.

Not now. The poorest paid Middlesbrough player has an income that is stratospheric compared with the ordinary people of Teesside . if you are careful, you could just about be set for life on any football league salary. There are full-time wages in the sixth tier. Redcar Athletic in the ninth are allegedly paying some £500 a week to show no sign of getting out of the bottom half. Turnover figures would show similar growth out of proportion with the growth of the economy.

Its the sky money. You can argue it’s a good thing or a bad thing, but you can’t argue it’s only affected the top of football.
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Again, look at the price of a ticket and the price of the merchandise etc. The players wages have gone up because fans are asked to dig deeper, and far deeper than they ever have been.

How much money do you think goes from Sky to the clubs at the bottom of the ladder, Redcar Athletic have a rich backer, that's all. If the Sky money was reaching the lower tiers you wouldn't see so many clubs folding.

And by the way, Boro players of the past were picking up decent money, setting up businesses ready for retirement, they were paid well.
 
FishofContemplation said:
It’s not the top few though, is it, it filters down to every level. When I started watching Middlesbrough, the players were barely on what you’d call a middle-class wage. They had a decent lifestyle while they were playing, because they got a fair few freebies, but there would be plenty in the stands better paid than they were. And it was off to run a pub or something on retirement. You might even see players, particularly if they had decent semi pro contracts or a decent profession, giving the lower divisions a miss completely.

Not now. The poorest paid Middlesbrough player has an income that is stratospheric compared with the ordinary people of Teesside . if you are careful, you could just about be set for life on any football league salary. There are full-time clubs in the sixth tier. Redcar Athletic in the ninth are allegedly paying some players £500 a week to show no sign of getting out of the bottom half. Turnover figures would show similar growth out of proportion with the growth of the economy.

Its the sky money. You can argue it’s a good thing or a bad thing, but you can’t argue it’s only affected the top of football.
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Also, go anywhere in the world and the Premier League and English football is known. It’s massive all over. I worked in Namibia for a year and the sport channels played English football constantly.

The profile has increased because the football is better, stadiums all good and rarely, if ever, any violence at games. Surely it’s a good thing that people feel they can travel to England from anywhere and watch a game. They couldn’t do that in crap stadiums with young lads wanting to fight.
 
Nero said:
Also, go anywhere in the world and the Premier League and English football is known. It’s massive all over. I worked in Namibia for a year and the sport channels played English football constantly.

The profile has increased because the football is better, stadiums all good and rarely, if ever, any violence at games. Surely it’s a good thing that people feel they can travel to England from anywhere and watch a game. They couldn’t do that in crap stadiums with young lads wanting to fight.
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I lived in Norway in the early 80's, English football was shown live on a Saturday afternoon at 3 o'clock. English football has always been well known across the globe. Don't kid yourself that it's something new.

What is new is that kids over here follow foreign teams. English people travel to watch football too. I lived in Holland in the mid 80's and went to Feyenoord games, the hooliganism I saw was worse than anything I saw in this country. I could watch football on TV there from Holland, Germany and Belgium on their television stations pre satellite TV but no English football.

Sky haven't introduced English football to the world, that's complete bull.
 
MikeSkinner said:
Doesn't have to be, football is one of if not the biggest social gathering you will get in this area so hats off to the group of lads voicing opinions no matter if you agree with them or not.
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Sorry to be ignorant but I don’t know about some of the issues being referenced like ‘37’ and York? Someone enlighten me please
 
Borobuddah said:
Sorry to be ignorant but I don’t know about some of the issues being referenced like ‘37’ and York? Someone enlighten me please
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Spirit of 37 is a Sunderland fan group that took £17,000 in donations to fund a display for their match against Newcastle.

The display ended up being a load of recycled red and white card, and there are a lot of questions about where the money actually went.

Hartlepool played York recently and Cleveland Police were very heavy handed in their treatment of fans.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I lived in Norway in the early 80's, English football was shown live on a Saturday afternoon at 3 o'clock. English football has always been well known across the globe. Don't kid yourself that it's something new.

What is new is that kids over here follow foreign teams. English people travel to watch football too. I lived in Holland in the mid 80's and went to Feyenoord games, the hooliganism I saw was worse than anything I saw in this country. I could watch football on TV there from Holland, Germany and Belgium on their television stations pre satellite TV but no English football.

Sky haven't introduced English football to the world, that's complete bull.
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You can’t use Norway as an example. I’ve also lived and worked there. They’ve been mad for English football a very long time. It helps English is widely spoken and the cultures not a million miles different.

When you can go to places like Namibia and South Korea and people know the Premier League, that shows the profile has increased. I could wear my Boro top in Korea and people knew which team it was.

I didn’t say Sky have introduced English football to the World. Them being involved has facilitated it. Increased revenue allowed clubs to improve facilities, allowed them to recruit the best coaches and get players from all over the world. None of that was possible without a massive increased in TV money.
 
Boro said:
Couldn't from Australia but even I would have tried to start 'There's only one Tony Mowbray' when we went 1-0 up. The whole ground would have joined in that one to the seagull shaggers...
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One of our own was chanted not long after we went 1-0 up
 
Nero said:
You can’t use Norway as an example. I’ve also lived and worked there. They’ve been mad for English football a very long time. It helps English is widely spoken and the cultures not a million miles different.

When you can go to places like Namibia and South Korea and people know the Premier League, that shows the profile has increased. I could wear my Boro top in Korea and people knew which team it was.

I didn’t say Sky have introduced English football to the World. Them being involved has facilitated it. Increased revenue allowed clubs to improve facilities, allowed them to recruit the best coaches and get players from all over the world. None of that was possible without a massive increased in TV money.
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Why can't I use it as an example, is it because it disproves your theory?

Do you not think football fans across the world followed global football before satellite television?

We were more dominant in Europe in the 70's and 80's before the ban. We had better teams than the rest of Europe

Man Utd, Liverpool, Notts Forest, Aston Villa, Arsenal, Spurs, Man City, Everton, Ipswich, Chelsea, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle all won European competitions.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Why can't I use it as an example, is it because it disproves your theory?

Do you not think football fans across the world followed global football before satellite television?

We were more dominant in Europe in the 70's and 80's before the ban. We had better teams than the rest of Europe

Man Utd, Liverpool, Notts Forest, Aston Villa, Arsenal, Spurs, Man City, Everton, Ipswich, Chelsea, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle all won European competitions.
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Not at all. It doesn’t disprove the fact English domestic football is now known in places it wasn’t previously known. It was always known in Norway for various reasons. Language, similar culture, close proximity, various links between the two countries.

See the Premier League in a bar in Korea or elsewhere is because the game has grown. Sky were the first to pump money in, but now TNT and others means revenues are huge.

That has changed English football fundamentally. Players are better, skill levels increased, non-English coaches have made a huge difference. None of that would happen without Sky and TV getting involved full time.
 
Nero said:
Not at all. It doesn’t disprove the fact English domestic football is now known in places it wasn’t previously known. It was always known in Norway for various reasons. Language, similar culture, close proximity, various links between the two countries.

See the Premier League in a bar in Korea or elsewhere is because the game has grown. Sky were the first to pump money in, but now TNT and others means revenues are huge.

That has changed English football fundamentally. Players are better, skill levels increased, non-English coaches have made a huge difference. None of that would happen without Sky and TV getting involved full time.
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It is everywhere, all the time, and it's dull. Just more of the same.
 
Nero said:
Not at all. It doesn’t disprove the fact English domestic football is now known in places it wasn’t previously known. It was always known in Norway for various reasons. Language, similar culture, close proximity, various links between the two countries.

See the Premier League in a bar in Korea or elsewhere is because the game has grown. Sky were the first to pump money in, but now TNT and others means revenues are huge.

That has changed English football fundamentally. Players are better, skill levels increased, non-English coaches have made a huge difference. None of that would happen without Sky and TV getting involved full time.
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Before Norway I worked in the Middle East, the kids wore Liverpool and Man Utd shirts. Sure they'll recognise Boro shirts now, and probably did then if interested in football. I watched the only live football you could get in this country at the time, the internationals and the cup final.

Kids recognising football kits abroad isn't new, their availability is, and they'll pay a lot less than the kids here pay for them.
 
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