Southern Water Fined £90million.

Randy said:
You shouldn't have to pay for a water supply.

Simple as that. Nobody can argue against that.
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You shouldn't but then capitalists wouldn't be able to profit from natural resources....which is kinda their thing.
 
bear66 said:
Since 2010 water companies have been allowed to self-report pollution incidents.

Sure that made good sense at the time . . .
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Just like this government who just love to investigate themselves.

They clearly don't want to spend money on improving their facilities to cope with demand and responsibilities, shareholders come first.
 
Nero said:
You seriously don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Do you think you just turn on the tap or flush the toilet and magic just happens?
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Water is crucial to the survival of man.
The cost of moving water to people's homes should be paid for by government. Soak it into national insurance contribution payments.
 
Randy said:
Water is crucial to the survival of man.
The cost of moving water to people's homes should be paid for by government. Soak it into national insurance contribution payments.
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That just proves what I suspected.
 
Nero said:
That just proves what I suspected.
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Ah I get your position now.

You don't care about those who struggle to pay water bills as long as you get your supply and waste sent away because you pay your direct debit every month. 👍🏻
 
Randy said:
Ah I get your position now.

You don't care about those who struggle to pay water bills as long as you get your supply and waste sent away because you pay your direct debit every month. 👍🏻
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I suspected you don't have a clue what you're talking about and I'm correct. You know nothing about the industry and the infrastructure that provides water and deals with wastewater. That process isn't free to run and maintain.
 
Nero said:
I suspected you don't have a clue what you're talking about and I'm correct. You know nothing about the industry and the infrastructure that provides water and deals with wastewater. That process isn't free to run and maintain.
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This is true but Scotland do get free water I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest everywhere does the same.
 
Where did I say it was free? You could soak the costs into national insurance contributions, council tax, income tax, any of them.

Where there is a will there is a way.
 
Boro1876 said:
This is true but Scotland do get free water I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest everywhere does the same.
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It's part of the council tax in Scotland. There's an element in the annual bill. It's not free as it's not cheap to provide safe drinking water. You don't just get it from rivers.
 
Randy said:
Where did I say it was free? You could soak the costs into national insurance contributions, council tax, income tax, any of them.

Where there is a will there is a way.
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So people pay regardless?
 
Randy said:
Nobody is left behind is the point I'm trying to make
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Water cannot be turned off so it's different to gas or electric. The industry is also highly regulated as water is treated essentially as a food source.

I'm a socialist so believe in providing services for all, but water isn't cheap and we all should contribute to safe supply.
 
The customers of Southern Water paid for their sewage to be treated, it wasn't. Will they get a refund? No.

Will the Directors and management pay the fine? No. Shareholders? No. Customers? Definitely.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it should be free, but essential to life services like water and waste shouldn't be operated with shareholders and profits as a priority.
 
I am no expert in the water industry just a layman’s view. The oweners of these water companies are largely hedgefunds, banks, foreign governments even 70%+ thought to be overseas. They have no interest other than profit.

The regulators seem pretty toothless, £90M is a significant fine but I doubt the owners will care too much. I expect they will make sure it is paid for through cut backs in staff, scaling back on improvements in infrastructure and wastage etc. However the biggest loser will be the customer in increased billing charges. The mishmash of owners should be stripped of ownership going by their track record. The management are calculating or incompetent probably both.

Water should be like energy and other essential services like railways, state owned and run
 
Chris_Boro said:
The customers of Southern Water paid for their sewage to be treated, it wasn't. Will they get a refund? No.

Will the Directors and management pay the fine? No. Shareholders? No. Customers? Definitely.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it should be free, but essential to life services like water and waste shouldn't be operated with shareholders and profits as a priority.
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That I agree with. The industry was made private and critical infrastructure now owned by China.
 
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