Southgate - England's best manager?

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
The player development is all down to the clubs. That's where they spend the vast majority of their time and where they learn the game.
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Mostly agree. It’s a mixture of mostly club development but it’s also a product of the enhanced England football academy at Lilleshall where a lot of these players under Southgate received their coaching and mindset playing for their country through the various representative Teams.
 
BoroMart said:
not entirely true, the England DNA is part of the programme of ensuring that there are suitable coaches, coaching the right things int he right way.

Southgate was at the core of that programme to develop the England DNA, it's used by every grassroots coach with a badge, and by every academy coach, and every manager that his taken his badges in the last 8 years or so.

Southgate is fundamental to the transformation to getting more technical players in the english game.
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Saved me the bother, cheers.
 
BoroMart said:
I think it's more that some of the younger players don't have the experience of these games yet. When you've got players like Chiellini with nearly 800 games under his belt and 15 trophies and countless massive games for club and country, we have players like Mount, Phillips, GRealish, Saka that have nowhere near that level of experience of big games. Even Maguire and Kane two key players don't have the experience of most of the italian squad.
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I suppose we're saying the same thing really. Belief comes with playing more of the bigger games. More games mean more experience.
 
Laughing said:
Strikers are where we are a bit light at the moment. if Kane get's injured we would, probably have to change style a bit. he does have 3 years left at the top, minimum. We may well see one of the youngsters improve enough. Greenwood will continue to improve. He may even be ready for the next world cup as a ready stand-in for Kane. He seems to have improved on last season with a 1 in 2 return to date.

Kane can end up playing deep from time to time, which does suggest that the formation might not have to change much.
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Aye, that's where we often struggle though, as do most football teams, Plan B is a long way behind Plan A. Thy should probably use the easier games to try this out more.

Other teams, even lesser teams than us seem to be able to just swap anyone for just about anyone, and they still maintain that threat.

We're definitely getting there though.
 
Nero said:
I suppose we're saying the same thing really. Belief comes with playing more of the bigger games. More games mean more experience.
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they're certainly tied in together. With previous managers we kept 'key' and 'star' players in the squad too long, and it denied younger players gaining that experience and belief. That can't really be said of southgate, he jetisoned Rooney straight away, players like Dier and Alli were the next to get teh chop for younger players. It'll happen again, after the world cup don't expect to see Henderson, Mings, maybe even Sterling again.
 
BoroMart said:
they're certainly tied in together. With previous managers we kept 'key' and 'star' players in the squad too long, and it denied younger players gaining that experience and belief. That can't really be said of southgate, he jetisoned Rooney straight away, players like Dier and Alli were the next to get teh chop for younger players. It'll happen again, after the world cup don't expect to see Henderson, Mings, maybe even Sterling again.
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Brave to say Sterling.
 
Tbf, The media were hostile to Alf Ramsey ('wingless wonders', anti-football etc) for pretty much the whole of his England tenure, with a short respite between winning the WC and losing to Scotland.
If media approval is anything to go by, Southgate is ahead of Ramsay already.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Brave to say Sterling.
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Maybe, but if he's prepared to drop Rooney, he's prepared to drop Sterling when the time is right.

I believe some of the wide forwards we have in the squad and coming through have better technical ability than sterling, and once the experience is there Southgate will drop Sterling. He's 27 in a month, and his form has been fairly poor for a year. If it continues he will be passed by Sancho, Saka, Greenwood, even Rashford if he gets over his injuries
 
I think Sir Alf might have something to say about the OP.

Gareth has done very well with an incredibly talented squad ( I would say the best England squad we’ve ever had - just look at the players not in it) but he hasn’t won anything YET.
 
No, not England's best.. I'd have liked to see what Venables, in his prime, could have done in Russia, last euros & with this squad..

I like the club like feel & spirit GS has brought to the team, though the WC semi plus Euro final I thought GS, froze at best, & failed to get the best out of the talent at his disposal..
 
BobUpnDown said:
No, not England's best.. I'd have liked to see what Venables, in his prime, could have done in Russia, last euros & with this squad..

I like the club like feel & spirit GS has brought to the team, though the WC semi plus Euro final I thought GS, froze at best, & failed to get the best out of the talent .
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Venables probably had a better squad in 96 and in similar circumstances didn't do as well as Southgate.
Also a bit harsh to say we froze against Italy, playing a team which had created a world record for the length of time unbeaten was never going to be easy and we were about an inch from Stones getting his head on the ball and winning it in the last seconds of extra time.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I think Sir Alf might have something to say about the OP.

Gareth has done very well with an incredibly talented squad ( I would say the best England squad we’ve ever had - just look at the players not in it) but he hasn’t won anything YET.
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1) 1964 Euros failed to qualify, trounced 5-2 away to France. 1974 World cup failed to qualify, couldn't beat Poland and Wales. . Southgate hasn't even come close to that level embarrassment
2) Yes he has a talented squad, but so did Sven ,Venebales, Robson, Capello, and Ramsey himsefl had a squad of world cup winners in 68, 70 and 74 and failed to make a single semi-final in those competitions.

No one knows how good the current squad is, it certainly has depth of talent in some areas, but you can't tell me Phillips and Rice is a more talented partnership than Ince & Gazza, or that Maguire and Stones are better defenders than Walker & Butcher. It's a lazy and fallacious argument
 
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