Steady the Ship

Colin Warnek

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Safe pair of hands appointment needed.

Having slept on it I'd go for one of these to get stability back:

Dyche
Corberan
Warburton
Cooper

All would get us ending up somewhere mid-table, IMO.

This is no job for a relative newcomer like Edwards.
 
Safe pair of hands appointment needed.

Having slept on it I'd go for one of these to get stability back:

Dyche
Corberan
Warburton
Cooper

All would get us ending up somewhere mid-table, IMO.

This is no job for a relative newcomer like Edwards.
who have been our ‘steady the ship’ appointments of recent years?

Robson - Christiano Ronaldo
Venebles - Marcelo Bielsa
McClaren - Michael Carrick
Southgate - Sol Bamba
Strachan - Duncan Ferguson
Mowbray - Liam Rosenior
Karanka - Carlos Corberan
Agnew - Leo Percovich
Monk - Rob Edwards
Pulis - David Wagner
Woodgate - Lee Cattermole
Warnock - Mick McCarthy
Wilder - Mark Bonner
 
Doesn’t having a Head of Football and a structure in place negate the need for blokes who steady the ship but bring little else? Surely it’s part of the reason you those things, to ensure smooth transitions and that seasons aren’t lost or written off with 35 games still to play.
I'm sorry but having made our start after 11 games of the season you can't afford to make a risky newcomer appointment. Walk before you can run and start again.
The momentum is only in one direction at the minute and it takes experienced man-management to address it. If we do an Edwards or similar newcomer we could be in real trouble come the turn of the year. L1 relegation would be financially disastrous.
Expectations shouldn't be high now, what Cooper did at Forest last year was a rare wonder-season.
 
who have been our ‘steady the ship’ appointments of recent years?

Robson - Christiano Ronaldo
Venebles - Marcelo Bielsa
McClaren - Michael Carrick
Southgate - Sol Bamba
Strachan - Duncan Ferguson
Mowbray - Liam Rosenior
Karanka - Carlos Corberan
Agnew - Leo Percovich
Monk - Rob Edwards
Pulis - David Wagner
Woodgate - Lee Cattermole
Warnock - Mick McCarthy
Wilder - Mark Bonner
Clearly your ahead of the curve and ronaldo as player manager is the answer 👍😎
 
I'm sorry but having made our start after 11 games of the season you can't afford to make a risky newcomer appointment. Walk before you can run and start again.
The momentum is only in one direction at the minute and it takes experienced man-management to address it. If we do an Edwards or similar newcomer we could be in real trouble come the turn of the year. L1 relegation would be financially disastrous.
Expectations shouldn't be high now, what Cooper did at Forest last year was a rare wonder-season.
You’re arguing against the whole ethos of having a ‘football department’ in place though. The idea is to make sure the next man is suited to the players and can build on and improve what was left behind. You don’t suddenly say “right, give it Chris Hughton,” because if your department and your structure is working properly then you wouldn’t be lurching between managers and coaches with wildly different characters and playing styles.

The next appointment will tell us a lot about how well this new structure is working, whether there’s any joined up thinking. If we go for Hughton, an older head who plays a very different style to Wilder, then you’d say the club have learnt absolutely nothing and we’ve wasted a year of time and resources. And you’d have to ask what the point of some sort of overarching, all-seeing Head of Football actually is TBH.

If it’s a young, hungry coach who likes to develop players and play with wingers or wing backs then you can understand that, there’s consistency of thinking in that. But Dyche or Hughton or some other old head, then we’ll be back here this time next year having flushed another few million quid down the sh*tter.
 
You’re arguing against the whole ethos of having a ‘football department’ in place though. The idea is to make sure the next man is suited to the players and can build on and improve what was left behind. You don’t suddenly say “right, give it Chris Hughton,” because if your department and your structure is working properly then you wouldn’t be lurching between managers and coaches with wildly different characters and playing styles.

The next appointment will tell us a lot about how well this new structure is working, whether there’s any joined up thinking. If we go for Hughton, an older head who plays a very different style to Wilder, then you’d say the club have learnt absolutely nothing and we’ve wasted a year of time and resources. And you’d have to ask what the point of some sort of overarching, all-seeing Head of Football actually is TBH.

If it’s a young, hungry coach who likes to develop players and play with wingers or wing backs then you can understand that, there’s consistency of thinking in that. But Dyche or Hughton or some other old head, then we’ll be back here this time next year having flushed another few million quid down the sh*tter.
Spot on that. The appointment will certainly be a litmus test of how the football department is developing.
 
You’re arguing against the whole ethos of having a ‘football department’ in place though. The idea is to make sure the next man is suited to the players and can build on and improve what was left behind. You don’t suddenly say “right, give it Chris Hughton,” because if your department and your structure is working properly then you wouldn’t be lurching between managers and coaches with wildly different characters and playing styles.

The next appointment will tell us a lot about how well this new structure is working, whether there’s any joined up thinking. If we go for Hughton, an older head who plays a very different style to Wilder, then you’d say the club have learnt absolutely nothing and we’ve wasted a year of time and resources. And you’d have to ask what the point of some sort of overarching, all-seeing Head of Football actually is TBH.

If it’s a young, hungry coach who likes to develop players and play with wingers or wing backs then you can understand that, there’s consistency of thinking in that. But Dyche or Hughton or some other old head, then we’ll be back here this time next year having flushed another few million quid down the sh*tter.
I don't disagree with much of that - but I wouldn't advocate Hughton anyway - failed in his last job and I think he's going to Qatar with Ghana as it is.

Personally I believe this Head of Football has had a year and proven to be way out of his depth - after the two transfer windows he has overseen - and can't be trusted to govern this next appointment. IF he is given time at the club, fair enough, but we can't afford to appoint anyone inexperienced sitting 22nd in the league with Scott doing a very questionable job. The pressure will be on from game 1 and that isn't a good recipe for a young manager.
 
The next appointment will tell us a lot about how well this new structure is working, whether there’s any joined up thinking.
I think the window showed that it wasn’t. We signed players not suited to the system.

Imo Liam Rosenior is the one we should be looking at. Rob Edwards is Keiren Scott’s old mate and will play 3-4-1-2

Other than that it is Bielsa! as ridiculous as it sounds we need our squad our through its paces, we need players to level up, we need a bit of a buzz back around the club too! If it costs £3m to make it happen I would do it right now. I’m thinking of the increase in values to the Gibsons, Fletchers & Hackneys he pays for himself! Plus can you imagine any other manager getting to 2ppg?

One more Spence like revelation and we’re sorted. South American players have been on the radar, Leo speaks the language.. even the possibility of getting Payero back!!
 
who have been our ‘steady the ship’ appointments of recent years?

Robson - Christiano Ronaldo
Venebles - Marcelo Bielsa
McClaren - Michael Carrick
Southgate - Sol Bamba
Strachan - Duncan Ferguson
Mowbray - Liam Rosenior
Karanka - Carlos Corberan
Agnew - Leo Percovich
Monk - Rob Edwards
Pulis - David Wagner
Woodgate - Lee Cattermole
Warnock - Mick McCarthy
Wilder - Mark Bonner
All good comparisons apart from Mowbray - Rosenoir.

Mowbray had managed Ipswich, Hibs, WBA & Celtic before he came to us.

I would go Mowbray - Hughton
 
I don't disagree with much of that - but I wouldn't advocate Hughton anyway - failed in his last job and I think he's going to Qatar with Ghana as it is.

Personally I believe this Head of Football has had a year and proven to be way out of his depth - after the two transfer windows he has overseen - and can't be trusted to govern this next appointment. IF he is given time at the club, fair enough, but we can't afford to appoint anyone inexperienced sitting 22nd in the league with Scott doing a very questionable job. The pressure will be on from game 1 and that isn't a good recipe for a young manager.
I agree that we definitely need somebody who is not unproven to avoid the potential of a disastrous season. Carlos Corberan I think would provide the best balance between working with the hierarchy and providing the experience of success in this league that we need to steer the ship in the right direction.
 
All good comparisons apart from Mowbray - Rosenoir.

Mowbray had managed Ipswich, Hibs, WBA & Celtic before he came to us.

I would go Mowbray - Hughton
Similar now maybe but the Mowbray appointment was a bit special and it was more to do with his connection to the club and ability to find players. I have shoehorned Rosenoir in there. He had a rough deal with Derby as Mowbray did with Celtic and Rosenoir looks to be that ‘type’ of manager.. like genuinely good.

Like for like comparison for Mowbray coming to us then would probably be Brendan Rogers coming to us now.
 
I agree that we definitely need somebody who is not unproven to avoid the potential of a disastrous season. Carlos Corberan I think would provide the best balance between working with the hierarchy and providing the experience of success in this league that we need to steer the ship in the right direction.
Agree. I think he would be first choice for me. Did very good things with an average side last season, still plenty to prove in his career.
 
I'm sorry but having made our start after 11 games of the season you can't afford to make a risky newcomer appointment. Walk before you can run and start again.
The momentum is only in one direction at the minute and it takes experienced man-management to address it. If we do an Edwards or similar newcomer we could be in real trouble come the turn of the year. L1 relegation would be financially disastrous.
Expectations shouldn't be high now, what Cooper did at Forest last year was a rare wonder-season.
I'm not sure man management is the issue this season.

It's not been for lack of trying that we've lost games, motivation and togetherness look decent (maybe not as strong as last season but in my opinion some of that is a result of the run we've been on).

I think we need someone who can develop a tactical platform which gets the most out of the players and is effective. We've performed very well this season without getting results, a few tactical tweaks should be all that's required I think.
 
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