That had to be the worst VAR decision ever Luton equaliser

Colgates_shaving_foam said:
You can all have your opinions but if you think that it wasn't a foul then you are wrong😉

Adebeyo looks round at the keeper and then backs into him as the keeper rises to take the ball. The keeper is in the air so cannot 'be stronger' in that situation.
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The keeper didn't jump so was never in the air.

Adebayo doesn't look round at him.

Sky highlights here - incident starts at 2:15 Luton v Burnley Highlights
 
davidmills said:
Do you think that goal would be allowed to stand if it was against Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City.
Or if say Coburn had made that challenge on Chelsea's goalkeeper on Tuesday, not a chance in hell.
If you believe it would have stood you are kidding yourselves.
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I think most refs would have given it and VAR wouldn't have overturned that decision either.

However, I don't think it would have been given elsewhere on the field and doesn't, in my opinion, qualify as a foul against any of the conditions in the LotG.
 
Looks to me like the keeper comes to claim a ball he can't get to because the striker is in his way. He moves into the forward, not the other way round. The Man United keeper against Wolves earlier this season - now that's a bad decision.
 
Scrote said:
The keeper didn't jump so was never in the air.

Adebayo doesn't look round at him.

Sky highlights here - incident starts at 2:15 Luton v Burnley Highlights
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It's no skin off my nose but I've seen it. Keeper has just jumped as adebayo makes contact with him, adebeyo does look at the keeper in the build up so knows exactly where he is. Clear foul for me.
 
Scrote said:
Out of interest, which bit did you think was a foul?

For me it comes down to whether the player impedes the keeper or just holds his ground and, as he got there first, he's entitled to stay there. He doesn't jump into the keeper or barge him out of the way.

Anywhere else on the pitch and that isn't given. Every defender trying to head a long ball clear with a forward in front of them would be falling over if it was.

I think the problem is that we expect keepers to get the benefit of the doubt so it's a shock when they don't.
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I just think that the striker making a step towards the keeper for the purpose of blocking his attempt to get the ball makes it a foul. It would have been different if the striker was already there but it's the look and step towards the keeper that makes it a foul. He deliberately obstructed him.

A defender trying to head a ball is different because the defender and the striker are usually battling each other to win the ball but this instance is a striker that can't reach the ball because it's going well over his head deliberately blocking a keeper that can.

I don't think it's a clear and obvious error though because your view is valid so it not being disallowed by VAR is fine. If the referee had given it as a foul VAR wouldn't have overturned it for the same reason of it not being a clear and obvious error.
 
Another week - another decision that is 60 - 40ish on here about whether it was right/wrong.

VAR should not be turning over those decisions.

It comes down to whether he intentionally takes him out.

If he is in a reasonable attacking position and the keeper can't get round him that's not a foul.

I think he probably (not definitely) does it intentionally - so I would have given a free kick. Can easily see why the ref doesn't
 
Had the keeper plowed through and over Adebayo in an attempt to punch it, it wouldn't have been given a foul either.
In real time, it doesn't look a foul to me. The keepers ran eight yards, Adebayo has moved two and got there first.
And yet , I'm surprised it wasn't given as a foul on VAR review, as it frequently slows things down to the last 1/10th of a second, which removes the context.
 
Only just seen the incident, it’s not a blatantly bad decision but I’d imagine 9/10 the foul would be given. The Luton striker has made no attempt to play the ball and has just blocked the other player off from getting it. So I’d say foul.
 
Glenn Murray and Alan Shearer from the striker's union thought it no foul either. Trafford is weak on crosses. He has been bullied all season
 
The keeper, who had a clear light of sight, ran into the striker.
The striker was watching the ball, not the keeper.
A coming together that the keeper is mostly to blame for.
Goal, for me.
 
Zoophonic said:
Interesting to listen to the VAR team on the mikes with this incident.

www.premierleague.com

Match Officials Mic'd Up Pt 5: Webb analyses key incidents in MW17-21

PGMOL's Howard Webb explains decision-making process for Luton’s goal at Burnley and more
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We did get to see the incident from behind the goal and that sort of confirmed my thoughts that Trafford was never going to get to the ball even if Adebayo had not been there, he had got the flight of the ball wrong and barged into Adebayo without even jumping to try to get the ball.

Good refereeing and kudos to the VAR team for not interfering.
 
Absolute bxllxcks!
If that is against any of big 6 clubs it wouldn't even have gone to VAR. Would have been a free kick and get on with the game and nobody would have questioned it.
Assisant in VAR studio knows it is a foul and says all the right things but doesn't have the courage of his convictions to say more.
Webb and Owen say anything yo make the refs /VAR seem right, as I say absolute bxllxcks!
 
davidmills said:
Absolute bxllxcks!
If that is against any of big 6 clubs it wouldn't even have gone to VAR. Would have been a free kick and get on with the game and nobody would have questioned it.
Assisant in VAR studio knows it is a foul and says all the right things but doesn't have the courage of his convictions to say more.
Webb and Owen say anything yo make the refs /VAR seem right, as I say absolute bxllxcks!
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The ball ended up in the net so it automatically goes to VAR.

A free kick might have been given by another ref and VAR might have overturned it or let it stand. We'll never know. It would have been equally correct/a travesty in fans eyes depending on point of view - as evidenced in this thread.

Football isn't black and white in that respect. This isn't a howler. It's not even a marginal decision. It's subjective and can fall either way and still be right.
 
davidmills said:
Absolute bxllxcks!
If that is against any of big 6 clubs it wouldn't even have gone to VAR. Would have been a free kick and get on with the game and nobody would have questioned it.
Assisant in VAR studio knows it is a foul and says all the right things but doesn't have the courage of his convictions to say more.
Webb and Owen say anything yo make the refs /VAR seem right, as I say absolute bxllxcks!
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I'm the world's biggest critic of VAR, I'd happily see it binned forever, but this is actually an example of a good use of it in my opinion.
The fact that it has completely divided opinion, amongst fans, pundits, ex players and referees, shows it was definitely not clear and obvious.
There's also no basis in fact that VAR or referees favour big teams, there has been several studies done which have forensically examined every decision made over several years. None have ever found a bias towards any teams, big or otherwise. This season debatable and downright bad decisions have been made against Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal for example.
 
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