The end?
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italianjob
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So, Putin prefers Biden 
TeessideCleveland
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They have, today, been pushed back in an extremely heavy battle. The Russians sent in their main army ... what remains of the elites and VDV that had been kept back. It was an attempt to finally take Avdivka. Ukraine did likewise to defend and push them back. It was brutal but, for now, the Russian forces have fallen back to re-constitue, having taken very heavy losses in the confined area of the Northern pincer.... which is now, pretty much a grey zone. UAF are consolidating but not chasing.
No doubt there will be more tomorrow. It has been confirmed today that Surovikin is in charge of that elite Russian army. He is head to head with Tank Girl (and one other UAF General).
Can't relay more than that now. My mate says that UAF casualties don't appear to have been too bad considering the scale of the battle (in terms of firepower, not manpower). Apparently 1 kiloton was sent downrange in the first hour. Russians estimated to have suffered heavy losses, but just how heavy won't be known just yet.
Just like every war, ever. Soul destroying to see it happening all over again.
Decent_Left
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Still alive eh! I did wonder. Still no sign of Gerasimov.
I will ask if he did turn up at the Swiss embassy. That little story somehow got lost this last few days.
Guardian
This article in the Guardian claims that Russia's increases in production has surprised some Estonian analysts. Redistribution of wealth is mentioned with factory workers, welders etc are getting relatively big money and also protection from being conscripted.
I am not sure why some random from Estonia is saying things that made The Guardians main page, though.
This article in the Guardian claims that Russia's increases in production has surprised some Estonian analysts. Redistribution of wealth is mentioned with factory workers, welders etc are getting relatively big money and also protection from being conscripted.
I am not sure why some random from Estonia is saying things that made The Guardians main page, though.
Lefty
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Estonia was the victim of a sophisticated Russian cyber attack in 2007, the first of its like that they tried. As a result NATO countries reevaluated their cyber warfare defences and strategy and set up NATO's Cooperative Cyber Defence Centre of Excellence (CCDCOE) in Tallinn pointedly to send a message to Russia.
Probably the guy from Estonia is not some random but a foremost NATO expert in intelligence gathering and Russia.
An update in brief. The Ukrainian forces prevailed yesterday in the northern pincer, in the process completely destroying the Russian 93rd motorised brigade ....100% equipment loss. This was the last elite brigade equipped with the most modern T90/T72 tanks. Loss ratios in equipment 20:1 in Ukraines' favour. However, less good with personnel ... 3:1. For this reason, Ukraine has pulled out from the urban areas to the SW in Avdivka because fighting in that environment is costly for personnel ... and Ukraine values theirs... Russia doesn't. They learned to work tactically to their advantages and keep to fighting in open spaces where their heavy equipment advantage is the greatest. So you will read that Avdivka has been ceded. It was always the intention to pull out to save troops lives if necessary as Avdivka holds limited strategic benefit. They certainly learned important lessons yesterday, which I can't relay here. They have now taken up positions on the pre-prepared lines.
Tryasize10
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"Avdivka holds limited strategic benefit"
Can you explain that one please? Im not sure that's strictly true given it's location
Can you explain that one please? Im not sure that's strictly true given it's location
Sure, it's a pain as it was a gateway to Donetsk. But they have others (which is why Vuhledar was so important). They will also now just go aorund it. There's nothing left of the town. This week has taught them (again) not to get bogged down in urban fighting. Defending Avdivka's main purpose, as with Bahkmut, was to consume disproportionate Russian resources. In that sense it was effective. They have held Zenit for longer than the entire 2nd World War. They should, perhaps, have got out sooner.
Tryasize10
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Thanks for responding.
What are your thoughts on the telegraph podcast daily updates?
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants
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Navalny found dead 
Not something I read. Given that I get daily updates from a commander on the front, I don't even bother looking at the Beeb for news on the war.
BobUpnDown
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Just saw that.. Putin giving his opponents a reminder..Navalny found dead
Russian opposition leader Navalny has died, prison service says
Jailed Russian politician and Putin critics Alexei Navalny has died, Russia's prison service says.
www.bbc.co.uk
Mess with Putin (and his 'interests') and there is only going to be one winner, it seems.Navalny found dead
A proper mafia state.
Zoophonic
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The west made a massive error in trusting Putin early on when he seemed to be a sane option after the Yeltsin madness but there is something very wrong when someone can blatantly and repeatedly murder any person who opposes him. You’d think some kind of Special Forces operation might be sorted out to take him out in conjunction with a new leadership option . Given the apparent initial reception to the Wagner “mutiny” you’d think there’d be one out there somewhere. A dose of his own murderous medicine would be good.Also horrific that Tucker Carlson gave him oxygen with the interview.
Juninhoburger
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"found" deadNavalny found dead