This meeting with Gibson

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MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
There is 24 teams in the championship, you have been able to use Two as an example for comparative prices. For a team located in an impoverished area, with a recent history of not spending beyond transfer revenue, there is little justification in the overall ticket price, let alone the rises.
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Exactly the point I was making! Someone said there's only 3/4 teams who have issued their season ticket prices for next season, Sheff Wed and Norwich have been mentioned. What is the point in comparing next seasons prices for us against the current season of other clubs? Makes little sense.
 
AytonMews said:
What team at a decent level is a kid from Berwick hills going to get a season ticket for instead?

We have a captive customer base
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If they have parents who can't afford to take them or aren't willing to pay the prices, the likelihood is that child will support a PL team of their choice. That's what I am seeing. The only kids who support Boro and wear the shirts are the ones who go to the games.

That child will grow up. They will have income of their own one day. They may have chosen to send that on a Boro ST. they won't if they now support Man City.

I would even extend this to say Boro should be doing giveaways in schools or grass roots football teams etc for matches where we aren't going to sell out. Sunderland are great at doing this. I know we rib them for giving their tickets away etc but really it is what Clubs should be doing. That one experience for a child who otherwise might never have got it, might lock them in forever

Didn't there used to be a section in the east stand that was reserved for schools or sports clubs?

We did the flags before the match with the kids with one of my junior football teams last season. They still charge the kids and parents full price for their tickets. We had to dip into our team funds (which basically pays their pitch fees and kits etc) for a couple of the kids who's parent's couldn't afford it so they didn't miss out on doing it with the other kids. They even charged GRFZ SC holders an uplift to move their seat to the designated location in the north stand.
 
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AytonMews said:
What team at a decent level is a kid from Berwick hills going to get a season ticket for instead?

We have a captive customer base
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They won't. They, like the majority of the country, will never have a season ticket for anyone. They will follow their team on TV instead and why would it be Boro, with their one Sky game every few months, when it could be Liverpool/City/Utd that they can see multiple times per week?

We don't have a captive customer base at all. Quite the opposite. We have people that live near by that can support whoever they choose. Something stupid like 50% of all football fans in the UK support Utd or Liverpool. We have a small potential pool of people that could be regular attendees and we're doing our best to make sure they aren't.
 
The years fly by and since '94 I doubt there's been many years that he hasn't pumped a few million into the club. Matched by the calls for him to go by a vocal "I want it NOW" minority. And matched several times over by fans of other clubs who wished they had a Steve Gibson.

If people can't afford it they won't do it but I wonder how many match, as disposable income, the % that Gibson pumps in year after year after year.

Thankfully, for me anyway, he takes no notice of those that shout for him to be out.
If he did he'd be long gone.
 
Nano said:
They won't. They, like the majority of the country, will never have a season ticket for anyone. They will follow their team on TV instead and why would it be Boro, with their one Sky game every few months, when it could be Liverpool/City/Utd that they can see multiple times per week?

We don't have a captive customer base at all. Quite the opposite. We have people that live near by that can support whoever they choose. Something stupid like 50% of all football fans in the UK support Utd or Liverpool. We have a small potential pool of people that could be regular attendees and we're doing our best to make sure they aren't.
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So because their parents can’t afford for them to go to Boro games, they’re going to start supporting Man Utd and not go to their games instead??

I didn’t have a season ticket until I was 15
 
TheBlueButterfly said:
Exactly the point I was making! Someone said there's only 3/4 teams who have issued their season ticket prices for next season, Sheff Wed and Norwich have been mentioned. What is the point in comparing next seasons prices for us against the current season of other clubs? Makes little sense.
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You are sort of correct but I can pretty much guarantee you that none of the other current championship clubs, that remain in the championship, announce a higher entry fee adult season ticket price than we have for 24/25.

Last Season Norwich were £534. This season they are £545.
Sheff Wed froze from last season at £510 (although I believe you could get them cheaper before Christmas which staggers me that they are selling that early)

Boro went from £480 to £510

The next highest Clubs were

Leicester - £435
Blackburn - £429
Sunderland - £420
Rotherham - £405
Coventry - £400

Every other club is below £400
 
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ForssAwakens said:
People get into debt for things that could be deemed once in a lifetime game, because is a lifestyle not a hobby to people.
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Getting into debt shouldn’t be an option to go to the football, we all love it and do live it also but if you can’t afford to go then you shouldn’t.
 
zzzzz said:
The years fly by and since '94 I doubt there's been many years that he hasn't pumped a few million into the club. Matched by the calls for him to go by a vocal "I want it NOW" minority. And matched several times over by fans of other clubs who wished they had a Steve Gibson.

If people can't afford it they won't do it but I wonder how many match, as disposable income, the % that Gibson pumps in year after year after year.

Thankfully, for me anyway, he takes no notice of those that shout for him to be out.
If he did he'd be long gone.
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It's a bit of a daft argument but there's been years where I've sacrificed things like holidays to get season tickets or go to cup finals. For someone like me and I suspect most others we have a much larger % of our disposable income going into the club than Gibson.

Look he's worked very hard and deserves every luxury he has in life but I can't imagine he has to sacrifice a holiday to put money into the club.
 
AytonMews said:
What team at a decent level is a kid from Berwick hills going to get a season ticket for instead?

We have a captive customer base
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When a kid chooses to support a distant glamorous club, then they don't get a SC for that club. Obviously.

But they do spend/pester their parents to spend money on merchandise of that club.
They also obsess over that club and form a bond with it that is likely to stay with them.
They also look down on their local club and are not connected to it.

Football is a luxury - nobody dies if they don't get access to it.
But your club of choice is also a mild drug and can be quite addictive.
 
B_G said:
It's different these days. It really is.
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Is it?? I’d say kids have more access to watching Boro than I did as a kid

You can watch every Boro match live on the dodgy streams, or if you’re not criminally inclined you can listen to the commentary and watch the highlights on your phone about 5 mins after the match has finished.
 
TheBlueButterfly said:
Exactly the point I was making! Someone said there's only 3/4 teams who have issued their season ticket prices for next season, Sheff Wed and Norwich have been mentioned. What is the point in comparing next seasons prices for us against the current season of other clubs? Makes little sense.
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true, however, are the teams such as Preston/Sunderand/WBA/Birmingham etc which are significantly cheaper than us, going to increase prices to a level in excess of what have announced???? I would be staggered if they do!!!!

So whilst you are factually correct that comparisons aren't like for like, you point would undoubtedly be proved redundant once others have published their prices.
 
AytonMews said:
Is it?? I’d say kids have more access to watching Boro than I did as a kid

You can watch every Boro match live on the dodgy streams, or if you’re not criminally inclined you can listen to the commentary and watch the highlights on your phone about 5 mins after the match has finished.
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I don't know where you live or were brought up... but assuming from Middlesbrough ask your self this.

How many kids in your school didn't support Boro?

Then go to Middlesbrough Sports Village on any midweek night and look across all the kids training pitches and count up how many Boro shirts you see.
If you've got kids or friends with kids, ask them who everyone supports in their class.
 
Frozen Horse said:
I think there's truth in that: I've always argued that the ticket offers we used to offer forced gates down overall.

I've defended club policy on tickets in the past: the gap between walk up and ST prices, the premium paid by new ST holders. It's kept gates far higher than following our relegation in 09 (COVID aside) despite the likes of Pulis, Warnock and Monk doing their worst to the team.

But there is no denial that, prices across the board are very high compared to what other clubs in the division charge.

I get that this is a tax-and-spend type model, that all the money we pay goes back into the team (and still not profit is made), but we don't get the better service to justify our higher prices.
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hoping we do, now that we are starting to get FFP under control and a DoF that knows what he's doing
 
Quicksilvera said:
Getting into debt shouldn’t be an option to go to the football, we all love it and do live it also but if you can’t afford to go then you shouldn’t.
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People get into debt all the time, no one saying they should but it’s the reality

My dad got into debt for me and my brother in the late 90’s. As a father myself I can understand why.

Pressure to keep a season ticket due riverside selling and final after final

People in the real world are not living in your idyllic state or view the world as you do
 
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