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BobendBert

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This is so sickly sycophantic.

Top decision after top decision before a few short paragraphs about how “The chairman’s constant striving for success means that any manager who is not seen to be making progress is on dodgy ground.”

Blimey. A proper puff piece.

Gazette
 
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BobendBert said:
This is so sickly sycophantic.

Top decision after top decision before a few short paragraphs about how “The chairman’s constant striving for success means that any manager who is not seen to be making progress is on dodgy ground.”

Blimey. A proper puff piece.
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How do people think football works? Not every manager works out.
Strachan was taken on in good faith
Monk and Pulis were backed beyond any other championship manager.
Wilder was given a tremendous opportunity he preferred not to take it

Bryan Robson - who else has replicated that?
Steve McClaren - League cup & EUFA Cup final
Southgate - most successful England manager in recent years
Mowbray - one of our own came back to save the club and build on a shoestring
Karanka - hot prospect got us promoted and brought in some big names
Woodgate - born in Middlesbrough, developed some top prospects
Warnock - one of the biggest characters in the game, raised spirits and built on a shoe string

Micheal Carrick.. probably one of the biggest prospects in English football, well respected by the absolute giants of management SAF, Mourinho to name just a few.

Checks for Sunderland’s EUFA cup final appearances.. Newcastle’s last trophy.. our recent peers Bolton, Portsmouth..did they beat Man Utd & Spurs last season?
 
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newyddion said:
How do people think football works? Not every manager works out.
Strachan was taken on in good faith
Monk and Pulis were backed beyond any other championship manager.
Wilder was given a tremendous opportunity he preferred not to take it

Bryan Robson - who else has replicated that?
Steve McClaren - League cup & EUFA Cup final
Southgate - most successful England manager in recent years
Mowbray - one of our own came back to save the club and build on a shoestring
Karanka - hot prospect got us promoted and brought in some big names
Woodgate - born in Middlesbrough, developed some top prospects
Warnock - one of the biggest characters in the game, raised spirits and built on a shoe string

Micheal Carrick.. probably one of the biggest prospects in English football, well respected by the absolute giants of management SAF, Mourinho to name just a few.

Checks for Sunderland’s EUFA cup final appearances.. Newcastle’s last trophy.. our recent peers Bolton, Portsmouth..did they beat Man Utd & Spurs last season?
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Not every manager works out. That’s true. But you can put in place appropriate planning and mitigations to maximise the prospects of success. When you fire your manager on average once very hear it points ti a wider problem doesn’t it?

Besides, this was about the article being sycophantic. It’s a puff piece by a client journalist in my opinion.
 
BobendBert said:
Not every manager works out. That’s true. But you can put in place appropriate planning and mitigations to maximise the prospects of success. When you fire your manager on average once very hear it points ti a wider problem doesn’t it?

Besides, this was about the article being sycophantic. It’s a puff piece by a client journalist in my opinion.
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Once a year? Is that not about average?

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17th
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7th
 
BobendBert said:
You think it’s average for a manager to get about a year in a job and that it’s good policy?
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I wouldn’t want Monk or Pulis in a the job for longer than a year, Woodgate had too much too handle, we thought we could do better than Warnock and Wilder thought he could do better than Boro.
 
newyddion said:
I wouldn’t want Monk or Pulis in a the job for longer than a year, Woodgate had too much too handle, we thought we could do better than Warnock and Wilder thought he could do better than Boro.
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So getting back to my point - they must demonstrate bad decision making to appoint them no?
 
BobendBert said:
You think it’s average for a manager to get about a year in a job and that it’s good policy?
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Its sadly a reflection not on our club specifically but a wider malaise in professional football when money is so much the important factor. No long term planning because becasue owners, media and the fans have little patience these days. Look at Arsenal. How many clubs would have sacked Arteta last season? They are reaping the rewards of patience.
 
Talking of devisions...letting nathan wood go to seansea looks like will bite us on the bum. He is good enough in a top 6 side in swansea but not us. Well done wilder and warnock not trusting him. He just needed a run in tbe team to develop.
 
newyddion said:
I wouldn’t want Monk or Pulis in a the job for longer than a year, Woodgate had too much too handle, we thought we could do better than Warnock and Wilder thought he could do better than Boro.
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Whether you agree wuth it or not, Gibson has a vision as to how it sees the club being run. Warnock almost represents the exact opposite of that vision. It was wise to bring him in to save us from relegation but god only knows why he was then given another season and a half. I think Wilder fooled them into thinking he also believed in the vision.
 
newyddion said:
How do people think football works? Not every manager works out.
Strachan was taken on in good faith
Monk and Pulis were backed beyond any other championship manager.
Wilder was given a tremendous opportunity he preferred not to take it

Bryan Robson - who else has replicated that?
Steve McClaren - League cup & EUFA Cup final
Southgate - most successful England manager in recent years
Mowbray - one of our own came back to save the club and build on a shoestring
Karanka - hot prospect got us promoted and brought in some big names
Woodgate - born in Middlesbrough, developed some top prospects
Warnock - one of the biggest characters in the game, raised spirits and built on a shoe string

Micheal Carrick.. probably one of the biggest prospects in English football, well respected by the absolute giants of management SAF, Mourinho to name just a few.

Checks for Sunderland’s EUFA cup final appearances.. Newcastle’s last trophy.. our recent peers Bolton, Portsmouth..did they beat Man Utd & Spurs last season?
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It’s not the backing of the managers anyone is getting at, our last few managers have been backed to an extent but throwing everything and overpaying on players with no sell on value who will never fit the system plus huge contracts to players we end up stuck with because no one will take over the contract isn’t the way to run a club of our size.
Replacing managers every year and having to bring in new squads every summer also isn’t sustainable

Regardless you only need to look at league positions over the last 20 years to see this club has dropped like a stone, no defending Gibson on that
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
20 of the current champions mangers have been in their job for around a year or less.

I don't think boro are any different to the majority of our peers.
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How many squads change players as frequently as we do? A new manager and a load of new players every summer won’t ever work in this league
 
JM14 said:
How many squads change players as frequently as we do? A new manager and a load of new players every summer won’t ever work in this league
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It won't, which is why we need more continuity and not allow managers to control our transfer dealings.

We need a balanced squad, one which has options and isn't restricted to playing the way the current manager wants.

Football demands instant success these days and managers are getting less and less time.
 
JM14 said:
It’s not the backing of the managers anyone is getting at, our last few managers have been backed to an extent but throwing everything and overpaying on players with no sell on value who will never fit the system plus huge contracts to players we end up stuck with because no one will take over the contract isn’t the way to run a club of our size.
Replacing managers every year and having to bring in new squads every summer also isn’t sustainable

Regardless you only need to look at league positions over the last 20 years to see this club has dropped like a stone, no defending Gibson on that
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Dropped like a stone? A stone doesn’t keep going up and down year on year.. lots of folks deciding our EUFA year is where we belonged and that’s where they’re dropping the stone from!

You can’t criticise the club for backing the managers too greatly and neither can you expect the club to hold onto a failing manager regardless!
 
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