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Maybe apart from this bit. Although to be honest I think the infamous bloke interviewed on the boat with his Tory son (The 'will of the people' thing is the biggest load of nonsense. It is a made up concept.


Maybe apart from this bit. Although to be honest I think the infamous bloke interviewed on the boat with his Tory son (The 'will of the people' thing is the biggest load of nonsense. It is a made up concept.
'The Will of the People' - folks wanted to vote for a left leaning Labour Party, right wing MPs didn't fancy it. they still don't fancy it.The 'will of the people' thing is the biggest load of nonsense. It is a made up concept.
Well that depends if you base your view on reality or on what facebook tells you.Are the Labour Party bankrupt?
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You've partly proved my point. You've just invented another version of it.'The Will of the People' - folks wanted to vote for a left leaning Labour Party, right wing MPs didn't fancy it. they still don't fancy it.
Rolling back corporation tax to 2010 levels was seen as some sort of whichcraft
There is no 'right wing' of the Labour Party. You're living in cloud-cuckoo land.I totally understand the criticism aimed towards the right wing of the Labour Party.
I agree with what your saying, but hey default you agreeing boris has a mandate from every voterI voted for Corbyn
I voted for Milliband
I voted for Brown
I voted for Blair
I supported Smith
I supported Kinnock
I just don't get these 'fake tory', 'tory lite' accusations against Starmer.
You're either with Labour or you're not. Getting upset because 'your man' is not in charge anymore is F***ing pathetic.
Right wing if the Labour Party?True Dat.. I don't think the purple lib dem variation will be able to pull it off I'm afraid.
I totally understand the criticism aimed towards the right wing of the Labour Party. Your either for Labour Party values or you're not.. no point getting upset when folks won't vote for someone who refuses to represent them.
There is no 'right wing' of the Labour Party. You're living in cloud-cuckoo land.
They didn't vote for a left leaning party in 2019'The Will of the People' - folks wanted to vote for a left leaning Labour Party, right wing MPs didn't fancy it. they still don't fancy it.
Rolling back corporation tax to 2010 levels was seen as some sort of whichcraft
I'm not so sure, the Tories aren't uniting, they have about 10 MP's going for leadership, and their voters are jumping ship in droves, it's the fastest and largest turnaround I've ever seen I think. It's not so much uniting, it's that the boat is getting smaller, so all that's left are the hardcore who will never move, and they're being bunched in.Whilst (so called) Labour voters look inwards and argue amongst themselves about this and that the Tories unite and harvest their natural and broad vote of country dwellers, southerners, business owners and cap doffers.
Divide and conquer, an old Tory tactic which is alive and kicking to this day.
Starmer would do well to spend time on countering this sort of problem particularly on social media sites.
Yup, also interesting that they're going to "fix" things, all of which have been problems created under their control, when they were all relentlessly backing BJ.The Tories have 2 months now were they will basically cut themselves to shreds, it will only get worse for them.
They are currently making promises that they simply pulled out of their arses and are completely unfunded and not workable, all to appeal to a tiny fraction of voters that are very little in common with the larger electorate.
I supported Corbyn but he had two goes and couldnāt get a win. Labour then turned to Starmer for a different style and approach. He seems to be polling well. You have to change and move on, I think itās a straightforward equation. We support the Labour Party more than individuals within it donāt we?I'm not so sure, the Tories aren't uniting, they have about 10 MP's going for leadership, and their voters are jumping ship in droves, it's the fastest and largest turnaround I've ever seen I think. It's not so much uniting, it's that the boat is getting smaller, so all that's left are the hardcore who will never move, and they're being bunched in.
It seems to be mainly some of the Corbyn fans who are miffed, and the Starmer fans (or just general Labour/ Tory opposition fans, like myself) are just a bit disappointed they won't jump on board and add pressure onto the Tories. I think this is getting better though, and will get better over time, it's way better than it was 2 years ago.
It won't make much of a difference though (to the GE outcome), as no Corbyn fan is ever going to vote tory, and every voter Labour hoover up from the Tories acts like two voters, if they switch sides. So if you lose a Corbyn fan you're -1, but if labour gain one from the Tories that's +1 to Labour, and the Tories -1. So overall Labour end up 0, and the Tories -1, which is a net win. In reality it works better though, as for every Tory that switches sides, you're not going to lose one of the Corbyn fans, hence why Labour are polling so well.
The same happens if a Tory doesn't vote, and one from the centre does (and votes Labour).
You've also got the coalition options too with those who jump ship to the greens or Lib dem or whatever, albeit I don't expect many Corbyn fans going to LD. Tories have a poor chance of getting more seats than Labour (although I expect them to improve with a new leader), but they have even less chance of a coalition with Green or LD.
It's hard to represent the entire political spectrum, who are against the Tories, but if Labour had to lose votes from somewhere, then tactically it would be better to lose the ones who won't ever vote Tory. I think Starmer is doing the right thing, by not countering the problem, as I don't see it as much of a problem.
We've got the worst Tory government I've ever seen, so priority 1 should surely be getting them out, and I'd vote for whoever had the best chance of getting them out.
Same here. I liked Labours policies under Corbyn, but you have to get in to enact them, otherwise it's just words, and he was always going to struggle to get in as he was unfortunately an easy target for our horrendous media, effectively bullied. The problem is, to win, you need some of the people that read and believe that crap, and someone who is less of a target. It's sad that it's like that, but it's been that way for a long time, and will be for a lot longer.I supported Corbyn but he had two goes and couldnāt get a win. Labour then turned to Starmer for a different style and approach. He seems to be polling well. You have to change and move on, I think itās a straightforward equation. We support the Labour Party more than individuals within it donāt we?
Labour then turned to Starmer for a different style and approach.
Also interesting that seemingly pretty much every candidate other than Sunak is going for the less corporation tax route, which sounds ludicrous.
Their argument is to always oppose the gov as is this role as the opposition.Starmer and Reeves will support that surely? If they're consistent with their own arguments from a few months ago when Boris's government was increasing corporation tax...