True tories coming out against vaccine passports

Uwefuchs said:
Maybe I misunderstood your post that I quoted? I thought you were questioning whether being vaccinated reduced the chance of spreading it?
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No. I've been vaccinated, twice. I don't agree with having to prove medical status to go to a cafe and the road that ultimately leads us to.
 
Otto42 said:
Are those against the vaccine passport against the concept of people needing to have proof that they are as safe as they possibly can be before entering a crowded space or because they think the current scheme is flawed against omicron? Would they support it if the requirement was a negative lateral flow, as was the case for previous test events?
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This is the proposal before the chamber tonight.
 
changingman said:
This is the proposal before the chamber tonight.
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It's an and or tonight isn't it? I saw Tobias Elwood and Frazer Nelson earlier stating that their objection was because being double jabbed with AZ offered little protection against omicron, so this scheme was illiogical at the momnent. They didn't seem to be opposed to the need to demonstrate that you had mitigated risk, merely that this didn't. I can see that argument tbf, but am not sure it's the argument that the libertarian right are making, was just trying to understand whether this was the view of any of those opposed to this restriction on here or whether they just didn't think anyone should have to prove they had been responsible?!
 
'Sick to death of my industry been the one the gets kicked to death'

The lockdown stopped a long time ago, and you've been made exempt from the latest measures.
 
Otto42 said:
It's an and or tonight isn't it? I saw Tobias Elwood and Frazer Nelson earlier stating that their objection was because being double jabbed with AZ offered little protection against omicron, so this scheme was illiogical at the momnent. They didn't seem to be opposed to the need to demonstrate that you had mitigated risk, merely that this didn't. I can see that argument tbf, but am not sure it's the argument that the libertarian right are making, was just trying to understand whether this was the view of any of those opposed to this restriction on here or whether they just didn't think anyone should have to prove they had been responsible?!
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Yep, the pass is essentially proof that you've either a) took steps to mitigate the virus through vaccination or b) aren't currently infected (within a specified time period).

It's not ideal but the remaining argument is ideological - in effect a vote against what *might* happen in future rather than what's happening now.

Must admit, I'm not the most trusting of this government either(!) but it probably makes sense for backbenchers to play the hand they're dealt at the moment.

If I was being incredibly cynical I'd suggest that once parliament is in recess the gvt will remove the "test" option, pushing it through under emergency legislation. I believe at least one Conservative MP has already raised that point in the current debate.
 
changingman said:
Yep, the pass is essentially proof that you've either a) took steps to mitigate the virus through vaccination or b) aren't currently infected (within a specified time period).

It's not ideal but the remaining argument is ideological - in effect a vote against what *might* happen in future rather than what's happening now.

Must admit, I'm not the most trusting of this government either(!) but it probably makes sense for backbenchers to play the hand they're dealt at the moment.

If I was being incredibly cynical I'd suggest that once parliament is in recess the gvt will remove the "test" option, pushing it through under emergency legislation. I believe at least one Conservative MP has already raised that point in the current debate.
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If you remove the test option then how do those who aren't able to get vaccinated (under 12s/18s), medical exemptions and those who haven't been able to get a vaccine yet get to go to these venues? I am usually cynical of Johnson and co, but in this case I believe the restriction is being introduced to reduce the pressure on the NHS and avoid the need for a national lockdown.

The Tory MPs opposed to this are the same ones who are so concerned about individual freedoms that they are trying to get out of EHC and introduce ID for voting!
 
Very good point, although one would assume there would be a fairly simple way around this (proof of age, medical exemption in the app for instance).

Javid reiterating the point in Parliament that they're NOT going down this route though.
 
Otto42 said:
So if it meant being able to stay open rather than lockdown would you support vaccine passes or are you opposed on principle?
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He doesn't know what he wants or whats happening.
Now he wants a vote against something that hasn't even been proposed yet.
And it's the fault of the NHS.
He fits right in with the Tory fruitcakes.
 
Ps - if anyone thinks that the government won't be introducing these, regardless of what they say now, I recommend you look at the last 20 months.

It's called "Bait and switch" - cause unrest and arguments between a divided society, say you're not going to do something, then condition one side to believing that its a good thing.

Which has clearly worked.
 
Otto42 said:
So if it meant being able to stay open rather than lockdown would you support vaccine passes or are you opposed on principle?
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I'll never support the concept of showing proof of medical history to go for a pint.

Lockdown is more than likely on its way in the next few weeks. The idea of it has already been leaked to various media sources as have the plan D details.
 
zzzzz said:
Tory MPs getting worked up about Covid passports.
The same idiots don't make a peep about children in the UK needing foodbanks.
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They also didn’t make a peep about the price of a pint going up ten pence in my local.
That’s about how relevant to this discussion that is.
 
magic said:
They also didn’t make a peep about the price of a pint going up ten pence in my local.
That’s about how relevant to this discussion that is.
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And many of them who vote against the Covid Passport also voted to outlaw peaceful protest
You'll be defending that as well.
 
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