USA now wants to 'weaken' Russia to stop it invading other countries

I don't think any side know what the others have lost. The Ukraine MOD said this morning that THEY estimate that Russia has lost around 21,000 troops to date and what I have seen on You tube, with a pinch of salt, Russian casualties are heavy.
 

I remember saying interfering in US elections would come back to bite Russia. Trump had to make himself a permanent resident at the White House for the US intelligence services and military not to hit back and that was a silly gamble on such a remote possibility.
 
I think a lot of clever propaganda is being fed to us so we can legitimately demonise the Russians/Putin.
it isn't propaganda that Russia invaded a sovereign state. It is propaganda from Putin that this is a 'special operation'. There is plenty of footage of dead civilians, destroyed residential property, so why do you feel the need to come to a conclusion that differs from what you see with your own eyes?
 
Ironic that the US is getting the hump when someone else invades a country.

Pot kettle anyone?
I'm currently reading a book about all the countries whose governments have been overthrown by the US since they began in Hawaii in the 1890's. Fourteen governments overthrown in a 110 year period and all for one of three reasons.

1. Ideology - to impose their ideology onto supposedly primitive, uncivilised heathens.
2. Power - to increase their power base across the globe and build military bases etc.
3. Resources - To ensure that US companies could have complete control of a country's natural resources.

These don't constitute all US invasions, just those where they directly removed the government.
 
Imagine if Russia or China were allied to France and they start parading military hardware near the channel… would we not react?
I think that we can agree that Russia have gone somewhat further than "parading military hardware"? Though the 40km traffic jams did look more suited to a Victory Parade through Red Square than a "special military operation".

And no we would not react to France moving ships through the channel. It is not that long ago (about five years, before the Russians entered the conflict in Syria) that the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and associated battle group transited the channel escorted by the Royal Navy and shadowed by the RAF. No one started shooting at each other.

As for "propaganda" I'm sure we are seeing a western centric view of the conflict but I expect you can access Russia Today for a more "balanced" view. From what I have heard second hand from RT they report that everything is going according to plan...
 
I'm currently reading a book about all the countries whose governments have been overthrown by the US since they began in Hawaii in the 1890's. Fourteen governments overthrown in a 110 year period and all for one of three reasons.

1. Ideology - to impose their ideology onto supposedly primitive, uncivilised heathens.
2. Power - to increase their power base across the globe and build military bases etc.
3. Resources - To ensure that US companies could have complete control of a country's natural resources.

These don't constitute all US invasions, just those where they directly removed the government.
They should have stayed out of WW1 and WW2 then, this country and the rest of Europe would have been a far more open country.

I think we would enjoy shouting Heil Hitler III.
 
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What on earth has that got to do with my post?
Just wondering if the change of leadership in Germany was OK with you.

I get accused of being anti German, which is rubbish, you seem to be very much anti American, why is that? It can't because of the Boston tea party can it?
 
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Last week - my lovely brother in law was bimbling down the street ( not clear if he was working or not ) and was about to cross the road, changed his mind - and next a pile of cluster bombs went off just where he was thinking to go.
We have cousins in Russia, who still refuse to believe that Ukraine has been invaded and terrible crimes against humanity are taking place - such has been the effect of media lockdown and 'misinformation'.
Fingers crossed for our 2 girls going through escape process - though Moldova flaring up could make things very perilous for them.
 
Just wondering if the change of leadership in Germany was OK with you.

I get accused of being anti German, which is rubbish, you seem to be very much anti American, why is that? It can't because of the Boston tea party can it?
Good lord. On another thread you called for clarity and brevity and then you come on here twittering on about things that bear no relation to anything that's gone before. You really need to stop following me around this forum trying to pick arguments with me; it's not good for you.
 
Good lord. On another thread you called for clarity and brevity and then you come on here twittering on about things that bear no relation to anything that's gone before. You really need to stop following me around this forum trying to pick arguments with me; it's not good for you.
You may be shocked by this, but you are consistent in a very good way. As for following you around, I come on here at set times and look at the last few responses. Nothing wrong with a battle though.

I find it much harder with people, who will be nameless, who change their views to keep people happy.

We probably agree on policy, but disagree on application.
 
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You may be shocked by this, but you are consistent in a very good way. As for following you around, I come on here at set times and look at the last few responses. Nothing wrong with a battle though.

I find it much harder with people, who will be nameless, who change their views to keep people happy.
You may come on here at set times but you nearly always try to pick a fight with me. For instance it was Billy69 who alluded to the irony of the US "getting the hump when someone else invades a country." I merely mentioned that I was reading a book right now about how the US has overthrown governments across the globe for their own enrichment. but then up you pop with nonsense like:-

They should have stayed out of WW1 and WW2 then, this country and the rest of Europe would have been a far more open country.

I think we would enjoy shouting Heil Hitler III.
and:-
Just wondering if the change of leadership in Germany was OK with you.
These comments have nothing to so with my post or with the book I'm reading because the US didn't invade Europe in the 40's for those reasons. But here you are floating the idea that I'm comfortable with the likes of Hitler.
 
I only have fights with people I dislike.

You mentioned a number of countries that the US overthrow it's government? I simply asked if the change of leadership in Germany was acceptable.

How they became involved in Vietnam I will never understand.

I am pro the the US, I find nothing embarrassing about that.
 
You mentioned a number of countries that the US overthrow it's government? I simply asked if the change of leadership in Germany was acceptable.
No, when I mentioned a book I was reading about the countries which have been overthrown by the US you said "They should have stayed out of WW1 and WW2 then" as though their involvement in the world wars was vindication for their actions before and since.
 
No, when I mentioned a book I was reading about the countries which have been overthrown by the US you said "They should have stayed out of WW1 and WW2 then" as though their involvement in the world wars was vindication for their actions before and since.
That is what I said, you haven't answered.

I also said I could not see why they were involved in Vietnam.

However no matter how hard I look I cannot see the Murderousness intentions of the left in Mao, Stalin, Cambodia or of Germany.
 
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